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Author Topic:   Understanding the Genetics of Speciation
Wounded King
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Message 4 of 14 (519096)
08-11-2009 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by zedman963
08-11-2009 6:11 AM


1. Does anyone know a gene which has been shown to cause hybrid sterility between two closely related species e.g. peppered moths?
Not in peppered moths but in the geneticists long term workhorse Drosophila. The genes Nup160 and Nup96 which produce proteins involved in the nuclear pore complex have both been shown to cause hybrid incomaptibilites between D. simulans and D. melanogaster (Presgraves et al., 2003;Tang and Presgraves, 2009). This is an example I happen to recall, I'm sure there are others.
If a member of a the two groups does gain a mutation which confers hybrid sterility, how will he mate with any member of his isolated group in order to pass on his genes e.g. people with Down's syndrome, Klinefelter's syndrome, Turner's syndrome, etc. are all sterile? Any change in chromosome number seems to render an organism (at least humans anyway) sterile.
It is wrong to assume the incompatibilities need to be based on something as major as differences in chromosome number. As my above example shows, small alterations in one or 2 genes may be sufficient. There is a term 'Dobzhansky-Muller genes' which describes pairs of genes fulfilling a set of criteria ...
Each gene reduces hybrid fitness, has functionally diverged between the hybridizing species, and depends on the partner gene to cause HI [Hybrid Incompatibility]
One paper discussing such genes (Brideau et al., 2006) is interesting as it again describes hybrid incompatibility between D. simulans and D. melanogaster. In fact the experiments done in the Nup160/Nup96 papers were performed on hybrids which had had the incompatibility caused by the appropriately named Lethal hybrid rescue gene rescued, protecting the hybrid males from their usual fate of death.
This highlights the fact that not one but several different genetic differences have accrued between D. Simulans and D. melanogaster which have caused hybrid incompatibilities.
The point about Dobzhansky-Muller genes is that the mutation of one such gene within a population after it has diverged from its sister population will not produce incompatibility, it is in the interaction with genes in the sister population which have themselves diverged from their common ancestor that the incompatibility arises.
TTFN,
WK
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Wounded King
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Message 6 of 14 (519112)
08-11-2009 12:09 PM
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08-11-2009 11:19 AM


I haven't read these papers but a quick literature search turned up a few candidates.
Grishanin et al., 2006 writes:
GENETIC ARCHITECTURE OF THE CRYPTIC SPECIES COMPLEX OF ACANTHOCYCLOPS VERNALIS (CRUSTACEA: COPEPODA). II. CROSSBREEDING EXPERIMENTS, CYTOGENETICS, AND A MODEL OF CHROMOSOMAL EVOLUTION
In this paper the authors describe a series of crosses for 9 lines of Acantocyclops which had well characterised gentics and morphology and measured their comparative reproductive isolation on these bases (Grishanin et al., 2006). This set of species/subspecies showed multiple viable crosses betweeen partners with different chromosome numbers.
Buschinger and Fischer, 1990 writes:
Hybridization of chromosome-polymorphic populations of the inquiline ant,Doronomyrmex kutteri (Hym., Formicidae)
In this paper the authors describe viable hybrids from 2 subspecies of ant with differing chromosome numbers (Buschinger and Fischer, 1990). Hmm, having just looked back I don't see them actually crossing the hybrids, so maybe this paper doesn't show it at all, oops.
I'll keep looking.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 10 of 14 (519154)
08-12-2009 4:47 AM
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08-11-2009 10:16 PM


Re: simplistic version of evolution and speciation
The camel and the llama are adapted to entirely different ecosystems, separated by oceans for eons, and yet they can be artificially inseminated and develop a viable offspring. That doesn't mean that one will survive in the other habitat as well as the adapted species. Genetic incompatibility doesn't need to occur to develop different organisms adapted to different ecologies.
It is wildly misleading to put up the camel and llama as an example where 'Genetic incompatibility doesn't need to occur to develop different organisms adapted to different ecologies'. It is incredibly difficult to produce viable llama/camel hybrids there is a very high rate of spontaneous abortions and no evidence that these hybrids are fertile, these are not the hallmarks of a lack of genetic incompatibility. Indeed in their paper describing one of the successful crosses Skidmore et al. (1999) note ...
Skidmore et al., 1999 writes:
Although the diploid chromosone {sic} number of camels and guanacos is the same (2n = 74), sufficient genetic change has taken place to make the pairing of homologous chromosomes no longer possible.
Your point is good but your example fails to be an example of it.
TTFN,
WK

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