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Author Topic:   Now I know that Alfred Wegener`s theory is wrong!
Aspevik
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Message 73 of 152 (529764)
10-10-2009 11:48 AM
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10-10-2009 10:42 AM


Re: An Initial Question
And if you need more to read, here is one another article :
http://discovermagazine.com/2006/sep/innerfortknox
Earth's Inner Fort Knox
Searching for a pot of gold? Try the center of the Earth.
by Anne Wootton
From the September 2006 issue, published online September 1, 2006
More than 99 percent of Earth's gold is missingit all sank to the center of the planet billions of years ago. In fact, says geologist Bernard Wood of Macquarie University in Australia, there's enough gold in Earth's core to coat its surface in 1.5 feet of the stuff. How did it get there?
Earth formed from a series of smaller planetesimals that crashed together over the course of 30 million to 40 million years. Wood deduced how much gold ought to be present in Earth's crust by comparing the crust's composition to that of meteorites similar to the planetesimals. He concluded that the crust was depleted of gold, platinum, and nickel and suggests that all these iron-loving elements were pulled into Earth's iron-rich core while its surface was still an ocean of molten magma.
In fact, if meteorites hadn't later deposited gold on Earth's surface millions of years after its core had fully formed and its crust had cooled, gold would be even more rare and expensive than it is today. Wood has calculated that 1.6 quadrillion tons of gold must lie in Earth's core. This may sound like a lot, but it is really only a tiny percentage of the core's overall massabout one part per million. The core holds six times as much platinum, Wood notes, "but people get less excited about that than gold."

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Message 75 of 152 (529769)
10-10-2009 12:10 PM
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10-10-2009 12:03 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Have you read both articles?

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Message 79 of 152 (529784)
10-10-2009 1:57 PM
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10-10-2009 12:19 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Yes, I see nothing to disagree with. However, your intepretation of them is invalid with respect to this discussion. You can answer my points now.
Yes, I see nothing to disagree with. However, your intepretation of them is invalid with respect to this discussion. You can answer my points now.
Thank you, and I would try to answer your point now. :-)
First of all, now you are talking about the core of the earth when before it was the mantle. The article says nothing about gold accumulations in the mantle.
There are two different mantles: Outer and inner mantle. The inner mantle consists of liquid rock mass. It is more liquid the closer the core is located. I told you that gold are so heavy that it sink into the middle of the Earth. Maybe I use the wrong word, and I am sorry for that, but I mean the core.
That dosen`t matter because my pont was that a meter huit the surfase and went into the Earth, maybe not into the core but close to so the gold in the core was pressed out the easiest way out and thats the way the metor went into the Earth. When the gold was pressed up to the surface, I mean this and another minerals from the deep filled up some of the cracks this metorite made when it hit the crust.
Second, you article explains one possible reason why there is still gold in the crust and it has nothing to do with liquid gold spurting up through the mantle and into the crust.
No, these articles tells us that we have a lot of gold inside the middle of the Earth. And it is realy hot there and therefore is the gold liquid too. This metal are so heavy that if we find this metal in veins here in the on the surfase, this veins most have been created one way or another. And there most have been a reason to that the gold ended into this veins too.
I think you understand what I mean to say, but I also think you only want to argue against everything I say here, of principle.
You don`t like new ideas at all and you belive that you have learned evertything you need at the University you went on. That isn`t sciense at all. Sciense demands that we are open to new ideas, curious and investigative. Nobody likes changes, but without changes we will not make progress either.
It does not help to insist on school lessons, and dismiss any new ideas just because we think we know everything about geology and don`t need to listen to new ideas.
As you can see at : my Web Site , I had only moved Gondwanaland and I detected that the most part of the gold fields in the world came at the same area in the world, in stead of spread all over the world like they are today. Just the same happend to the fossils from the Ediacara perioid.
I have studied this fossils from this periode and up to the end of trias/jura period, and I can only find any pattern at this Ediacara fosils. Both of these findings have the same senter, therefore I belive a meteor hit the surface at that time. A lot of carbon in rocks from the Ediacara period makes my suspicion stronger.
There are more. Africa and the whole Eurasia are moving the same direction today as I have told in my theory the last 20 years. The scientist have used GPS to determine this. Here is a picture I have from this page (Norwegian, sorry): Forbruksln - Billig Ln Med Geoportalen.no
This is the same direction i have here:

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Aspevik
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Message 80 of 152 (529787)
10-10-2009 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by roxrkool
10-10-2009 1:42 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Aspevik, are you are still claiming those deposits as the largest gold fields in the world? With the exception of Tarkwa and the Wit deposits, the rest should be removed.
You are basically picking and choosing which deposits to present on your map based on their proximity to your alleged impact site. Not whether they are in fact the largest gold mines in the world. And why are you not depicting the largest platinum mines, or copper mines, or other metallic mines? Why just gold?.
I have not put as much emphasis on the minerals on my website at all, I just mentioned this because I was asked about it and I make a map where i took some of the largest gold fields on Earth just to illustrate my point here. And i write "some" and not "all" the large gold fields too. If we took the rest of them that would`t change anything anyway.
Most of the largest gold fiels would lay at this side on Earth anyway in stead of spread over the world like we have today. But I feel you prefer the holes in the cheese instead of the cheese and you are not interested to see any points at all. I am sorry if I take wrong now, but it look like that to me.
I have made maps on metal deposits over North and South-America to show the amasing likeness between these continents to, but I never put them into my web, because I don`t have my maps here at my home. Therefore I asked about this earlier, so I could make a new map to you. The coal resources match perfect on both continents, and the make a perfect belt over both sides of these continents.
But as I told, I don`t have the map here now.

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Message 81 of 152 (529793)
10-10-2009 2:38 PM
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10-10-2009 1:00 PM


Re: An Initial Question
So you're saying that these fractures, resulting from the impact, extend all the way from the surface of the earth down 2500+ km to the outer core?
And that liquid gold migrated up these fractures, unimpinged, through the mantle -- sometimes up to the crust? What about all the other metals?
I'm having a hard time believing such a massive impact wouldn't just have destroyed the earth.
When was this supposed to have happened?.
I have already anwered this question over here, but I can tell yoy something else. When Alfred Wegener write about the teori in 1915, the cientists told him there is no force in the Earth who is strong enough to move those heavy landplates. But a meteorite is strong enough if this breake up the landmass and get into the Earth and melt there.
I know it is hard to belive that a massive impact wouldn't just have destroyed the Earth, but after this impact in the Ediacara periode (between 635 and 542 million years ago) this animals died out of some reason and I don`t know an answer to that question at all.
If we study the rocks from this time, we know there have been unusual amount of carbon at the Earth at this time. What else than a meteor can make so mutch corbon in the air? Cars? ;-)

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Message 86 of 152 (529829)
10-10-2009 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by petrophysics1
10-10-2009 3:58 PM


Re: An Initial Question
Boy did he leave out a lot to make it match his "theory".
I see I have missed some goldfiels, inside and outside the marked area I made on my map. ;-) The wasn`t mentioned in these webside I linked to. Sorry about that!
But I think I can explain the map called "Map of Cenozoic primary gold deposits" at this adress: Minelinks.com
First I have to precise the time I belive this meteor hit the surface. The Ediacara fauna started about 600 million years ago and it looks like the animals died + - 542 millions ago then cambrium started.
I have told it was then the metorite hit the seafloor.
After this hit the fields marked with grey under here came up to the surface as a result of this hit and the new mass transported gold from the deeper mass of the Earth. The mass of lava and some gold came up and added to the continents marked with grey.
When I see this map, I think I understand why it become landmass from "Spain" to "india" and I think I can explain the areas of gold too.
This hit, in Cenozoic who also started 542 millions ago when these animals died, pressed the new mass up under the continent(today Aurasia) and the mass came up at the end or edge of this plate, at the same time the other grey areas came up.
Something most have pushed upp this new landmass, and I am sure it was this hit north of Canada who did this changes.
I took this map and put the continets togheter as I had done before, and I THIS IS NOT AN ACCURATE MODEL OF THE CONTINENTS AT THIS TIME! It is just a indication how I think this happend.
http://www.aspevik.net/extra.htm
On this map I have tried to mark out the directions of the areas where the new landmass (and gold deposits) to Explain where I belive this hit most have occurred. And I have still most of the goldfield on one side of the Earth even there is some fields in the area south in Aurasia if I use this name to point at this field.
Edited by Aspevik, : No reason given.

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Aspevik
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Message 89 of 152 (529842)
10-10-2009 7:32 PM
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10-10-2009 7:12 PM


Re: An Initial Question
So now you are not just moving Gondwana, but you are moving the Cenozoic back in time by half a billion years. Interesting.
Yes, now I see a big mistake here... :-), I was tired and mix toghether the whole thing. Sorry about that. I would take a better look at this in the morning, now it is night over here....

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Aspevik
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Message 90 of 152 (529847)
10-10-2009 7:52 PM
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10-10-2009 7:32 PM


Re: An Initial Question
I can see now that I couldn`t use goldmines as an indicator to the theory. I didn`t have this on my page either, but since someone brougt it up I tried to answer the best I could, and I realize I took wrong about the gold here. But.... If any meteorite hit the Earth and it took 200 my before new continents was formed as a result of this hit, it would have been perfect to this map. Or if the scientist have missed with the dating method. ;-)
I give up this gold stuff! ;-)
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Aspevik
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Message 92 of 152 (529861)
10-10-2009 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by roxrkool
10-10-2009 8:05 PM


Re: An Initial Question
I am not sure about that, because the fossils I have on my page are fitting perfekt into the model. There is no other wat to explain the mouintans in Aurasia (South). The continents doesn`t fit togheter either if we keep this area Wegener cutted of here on the map ( Yhe
square on fig. 4):
And I have just moved Gondwanaland away from Aurasia to explain the mountans there. I followed all the vulcanic islands in Polynesia, Hawaii and the Aleutean. They lay like beads on a string in a huge semicircle over the Pacific Ocean an can indicate the drift of Gondwanaland.
There have to be something wrong with the dating method someplace, I think.
But, if I take Nord and South-America and put togheter like this:
and we take the paelomagnetic measurements on both side and compare the rocks from the end of the Ediacara periode, and the minerals and so on...
If they dont`t match at all , I understand that i have done a mistake. Not before this is tested out!

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Message 95 of 152 (529934)
10-11-2009 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by petrophysics1
10-10-2009 9:54 PM


Re: An Initial Question
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Give me your "theory" which explains all FOUR maps, accounts for the vertical and horizontal distribution of rocks and explains it in time sequence.
I would take a closer look to this when I come back tomorrow. And I would take a closer look to roxrkool proposal here.
I just want to find out whats really happend here, even If I find out for sure that I have taken wrong.
First I would take your 4 maps and put all the areas of gold field into one map to see how it looks. If the most goldfields are clustered at one side of the Earth then, this have to mean something.
Whatever, these gold fields will not say so mutch if most of them now turns out to be gathering at one side of the Earth anyway. I would never be able to prove that the geologist have done something wrong when they constructed these methods to determine the different ages of rocks, etc.
But, I would be back tonight or tomorow. Have a good weekend. :-)

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Message 96 of 152 (530035)
10-11-2009 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Aspevik
10-11-2009 7:14 AM


Re: An Initial Question
The Ediacara fossils are now exact marked in on a new map, and all locations are controlled. Of some reason the most of them are gatheret on a line. What are you really see when you take a closer look at these locations? What is the mathematical chance that nearly all these locations ends up on the same line?
Here is the locations of these fossils, and I explain this on my page: http://www.aspevik.net/extra.htm

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Message 98 of 152 (530079)
10-12-2009 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by roxrkool
10-12-2009 12:37 AM


Re: An Initial Question
Just out of curiosity, what are the processes or events that resulted in this alignment? I know you suggest some impact caused this alignment, but how?
I belive a meteor hit the surface in the past, near the north pole and make a "scar" we see still today in the flatten seafloor even the seafloor have changed as a result of seafloor spreading. I belive this hit broke up the continents and the new mass pushed that area Wegenere callaed "Gondwannaland" south on the Earth when the mass melted.
I belive this land rotated around an axis in that area we find "Panama" today. The sentrifugal force, the same force who pressed all all planets out near Equator, helped this broken plates to drift too.
When Antarctica get stabilized where this force are weakest, at the south pole, South America stabilized too. But Africa, India and Australia went further in the same rotate direction and
collided with "Europe and Asia" and made the mouintan ranges there. I belive the vulculacnic islands, Polynesian Island, Hawaii, and the Alutean islandsis a indicator to this drift. They make a pretty perfect half circle ove the Pacific and come to the surface in a later period.
I have more. :-)
If we take a look at the moon, I know that the scientist don`t know the age of the Moon. They know the Moon is formed like a egg with the tip down to the Earth. And they know the Moon moving away from Earth by 3.5 centimeter in the year.
If we think about that, this maybe tells us that the Moon come from the Earth in the past.
But how?
If a meteor hit the surface and penetraded into the Earth, it would have been some mass from the mantle pressed out the same way the moteor went in. It is the same as you thrown a stone into water, it would be a "splash". The drops from a stone in wather would "splash" away from the center.
If the Moon was created by a hit like that, there is only 2 places on the Earth this possible cold have happend. That is on the South Pole or the North Pole because the angle of this "drops" tells us that.
This "drops" with melted stone, would have been gathered in the years and we have a Moon.
I don`t claims that it was this hit who created the Moon, but there is a possibly chance for that. I belive the Moon was created by a hit like this on one of the poles, independent when this happened.
If a hit like that came into another side of the Earth, there would have been a different result. This is just a thought. :-)
Edited by Aspevik, : No reason given.

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Message 103 of 152 (530126)
10-12-2009 11:34 AM
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10-12-2009 9:14 AM


Re: An Initial Question
One thing I can't see in your model. You place everything in the Endicarian times then talk of Gonwanland which didn't exst for a couple hundred million years. Pangaea formed after the eEndicarian epoch in the pre-Cambrian. Pangaea came together in the late Orodivian or early Devonian and broke up stating in the Permian and continued through the Mezozoic ages.
That is right! : I dont,t have any name on the area Wegener called Gondwanaland, but I belive this areas was there at this time anyway.
We know that if we dig deeper and deeper, the rocks get older and older. The goelogist have made a system to dat these layers, based on the continentaldrifttheory as it is today. But what if the whole teory was wrong from the beginning and they have build their knowlegde on that?
What if one or more metorites have penetraded the Earth when the Earth have exist, and these hits make new layers of rocks on top if the existing roks? The geologs will stand on the top of these layers and tell the world that these areas came up mutch later even the older rocks are under this layer.
As I have told before there is only two ways the continents can have been created. And that is as a result of sentrifugal force or the sentripital force. The sentrifugal force press the lighter mass out to Equator an makes the continents arond the Earth. But if we use the sentripital force, the heavier mass sink to the bottom in the Earth an the lighter mass floaten up to the top so far it possible. Since the Equator is 15 kilometers longer out than the poles, the mass will be clustered there. no matter which of these two explanatory models to use, the result will be the same.
I belive that instead of Pangaea the continents formed a
belt around the equator, spun out as the earth cooled,
as a centrifuge would (or the sentripital force too).
We have also som seafloor on the top of Finse here in Norway. Finse is some of the highest point here in this country where we have a lot of huge mountains from the precambrium, and there is nothing explonation how this seafloor came up there too. Did this land sunk and came up or what? This seafloor is mutch younger than the precambrian rocks, and the geologist conclude with that these tops was seafloor once at the time.
But... there is only one explonation on this and that is that the seafloor was trown up on the top of these mouintans. This area is also under the line I wrote into my fossilmap.
So even we find a toplayer of one later period, it don`t have to mean this landmass wasen`t there at the time this new layer was created.
The Pangea theory is just a theory, not facts, so we ca`t use it as proves anyway. If we do that, the whole ting would be wrong from the start and I think that is what have been happend here. Geology is not a religion, but some I talk to belives that!

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Aspevik
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Message 108 of 152 (530259)
10-12-2009 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by roxrkool
10-12-2009 11:14 AM


Re: An Initial Question
You still haven't answered the question as to what those fossil locations have to do with the impact.
Sorry about that, bit I haven`t been home before now. :-)
This impact have a lot to say. If it was two seperated oceans at the world as I belive, and one dry land who seperate this two oceans, then it seems to me that all these spices lived in the ocean in north. I belive these animals end up in these line at the same way if you turn a bucket with water and fine sand upside down on a floor then you see that the sand float out to the end in a circle at the edge.
These animals have one thing in common, they was burried alive in a lot of sand, most likely at the same time.
Long time the scienentists belive they couldn`find animals like this from this age, because they where soft bodies.
When I locate the findings area and put them to my map, I was suprised that I could draw a half circel over nearly all these locations. That have to mean something.
I draw them into my map because I would campare one continent to another, and I don`t expect to find nearly all into the line of this half circle at all.
The first thing I thinked was it have to be some crater or somthing after a meteor, because something have to bring these animals into this line and burried them alive at the same time. So I put an X into the midle of this circle and started to read about the sea floor in this area. At that time I didn`t know anything about this seafloor in this area, other than the seafloor was very flat in this part of the world.
So I got suprised when I find out what it was under the X i made. Here I have made a illustration just now to show you this area where this X was.
This seafloor are replaced several times because of seafloor spread, but it is still obvious that something has happened in this area.
So my conclusion was that a metor hit this area and threw sand and the sea creatures out of the continents, while it was this that divided up the continents and got them to run. This hit also threw up a lot of liquid mass from the mantle an made a new layer over a lot of landmass.
Do you have any geochem or stratigraphic evidence for this impact?
No one in this world is able to collect data from a seabed that has been replaced several times.

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Message 109 of 152 (530263)
10-12-2009 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by petrophysics1
10-12-2009 9:39 AM


Re: A Basic Problem
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Ediacaran age fossils can only be found where Ediacaran rocks of the proper type/depositional environment are EXPOSED on the surface. This has NOTHING to do with all the places in the world where these rocks exist but are buried under the surface and you cannot look at to see if they have fossils. No one is going to dig up Ediacaran age rocks that are 50, 100, 5000 or 30,000 ft below the surface to see if these fossils are there.
Your map means nothing.
Try to explain to me why nearly all these fossils was found in a perfect half circle then? It wasn`t me who find these fossils. I just discover this pattern.
quote:
That you did this shows me you do not have an understanding of basic geology.
How many time have the geologist told me that I don`t have a clue when I say I belive we only have two magnetic poles the most of the time. They say it exactly the same as you here.
But, these people who think they have an answer to everything, they ignore everything who don`t fits into their own theory.
They ignore new discoveries and measurements in which science has established that we only had two poles. That's because they a system that is wrong and therefore they tells us that we have several poles in the past to get an explanation why it can not find out of their own system. These geologists presents this as a complete concrete
facts. Just take a look at this link again:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2009/10/091002132350.htm
I quote Professor Roy Gabrielsen at the Geological Institute at Bergen University, who has expressed following:
There are many unanswered questions around the plate technology plate tectonic, and some of the things we work on today is to find the interplay between the driving forces behind the plate-movements. We have to date very little insight in this, and it might be that the answer to these questions will make it necessary to change the whole model.(UIB.MAGAZINE 1/98)

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