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Dr Adequate
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Message 134 of 150 (545899)
02-06-2010 4:05 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by slevesque
02-05-2010 4:05 PM


Totally unecessary.
What? It was true. That is, in fact, why you would know if any spurious primitive bird had ever got into the peer-reviewed literature and then been exposed as a hoax. That's how creationists operate. Tell me I'm not calling it how it is.
Therefore, we may rest assured that such a thing has never happened.
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My remarks are also, I feel, salutary. Consider this. Based on one piece of evidence that paleontologists are professionally competent, you grasp at the conclusion that they're not; based on the fact that they are able to detect a hoax, you wish to believe that so many hoaxes have gotten by them as to entirely vitiate the evidence for bird evolution; based on the fact that (apparently) you trust them completely when they tell you that "Archaeoraptor" was a fake, you seem to be concluding that you need never trust them again; and based on the fact that the peer-review system worked perfectly, you conclude that it is flawed. And all this you base on pointing to just one occasion when you think that they got something right.
This hardly seems fair on them. It would seem rather harsh as a general conclusion if instead you were pointing out that the experts in reptile-bird evolution had got just one thing disastrously wrong. Considering the volume of their work, and the fact that they're human, could they really do better than that? Well, apparently they can. Which is why you are reduced to attacking them by pointing out one occasion on which you seem certain that they were absolutely right.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 136 of 150 (545974)
02-06-2010 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by caffeine
02-06-2010 9:26 AM


Re: Phylogenetic nitpick
Wasn't pointing out a problem with your point, just being pedantic with the terminology. To continue a little bit further in that vein, Compsognathus isn't a maniraptoran. Here's the modern understanding of coelurosaur phylogeny (based on Senter (2007), from the wiki page on Coelurosauria:
Thanks. Now I'm all confused ... I used to know this once ...
Apologies to everyone if I've messed up my taxonomy. I'll edit my posts to put it right for posterity ... later.
Edited to add: I've just been looking at Wikipedia, and now I'm really confused. Because, apparently, so is everyone else.
The position of the Compsognathidae within the Coelurosaur group is uncertain; some hold the family as the basalmost of the coelurosaurs, while others as part of the Maniraptora.
Right. So what are the deinonychosauria and the dromaeosauridae?
Put it this way, what's the smallest clade containing both Deinonychus and Compsognathus?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 138 of 150 (546001)
02-07-2010 4:57 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by DC85
02-06-2010 10:44 PM


Re: Phylogenetic nitpick
It keeps changing and they're debated. The more they find the more diverse they seem to be. The line is sketchy just as the line between birds are. This is a wonderful example of diversity and evolution.
well then **** evolution and double **** the scientific method. What I want is complete certainty about everything forever. So, there, you did it, I'm going to become a creationist and from now on I'm going to give one sure and simple answer to every question, as follows: "The reason that it's that way is that God wanted it to be that way. And the cause that it's that way is that God did it by magic".
Screw reality, I'm going home.
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