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Silent H
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Message 16 of 22 (56199)
09-18-2003 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by mike the wiz
09-17-2003 8:28 PM


mike writes:
ofcourse, God is telling people to have evidence, are you against evidence Sherlock?
Yes. I am absolutely against evidence. I am absolutely totally against evidence if evidence is defined, as you have just done, as anything that can be asserted with no logical connection to the conclusions one draws from that assertion.
Blood on sheets proves NOTHING. Lack of blood on sheets proves NOTHING. Therefore it does not count as REAL EVIDENCE. I am all for REAL EVIDENCE.
mike writes:
And you are also assuming that it was the same for women back then,without knowing for a fact.
????? I'm sorry what? Are you seriously advancing the argument that evolution has resulted in women no longer bleeding as often on their first time?
But let's say that this is true. Do you really mean to say that the Word of God can suddenly become irrelevant or incorrect? Aren't we supposed to be living by the word of God at all times, now and forever?
If so then asgara should have been able to be stoned.
I see in later posts you try to edit into the word of God that Jesus teaches not to stone (unless you are without sin). While that may be true then God has still left many innocent women to be shamed and ostracized (or at least convicted) for no real reason.
mike writes:
So, you say he doesn't understand women!
Yes. He certainly does not understand the physiology of women if he made the passage I quoted in Deuteronomy. You have done nothing to undermine this fact.
As far as trying to cast God as something less than a mysogynist, I might only remind you of the passage regarding the fall of Sodom, and an eerily similar passage in Judges.
In both passages the heroes of the story toss their innocent female children and wives to be brutally raped by mobs. In the Judges passage the mob accepts and rapes the woman until the point of death. She manages to crawl to her husbands doorstep to die. He wakes and finds her and says "let's go". When she doesn't rise (because she's dead) he chops her body into pieces and spreads her around Israel.
These were the GOOD GUYS. Great role models.
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balyons
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Message 17 of 22 (58332)
09-28-2003 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Rei
09-17-2003 8:49 PM


God does not condemn the women for not screaming loud enough- she is condemned for not screaming at all. I don't know about you, but if a man attacked me I would yell so loud his eardrums would burst, and if I was in a town with no artificial sounds such as they had thousands of years ago, somebody would hear me.

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Asgara
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Message 18 of 22 (58335)
09-28-2003 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by balyons
09-28-2003 4:41 PM


balyons,
Are you then saying that any woman who doesn't scream at all,(through fear, shock, knife at her throat, gun to her head, drugged, knocked unconscious, etc), should be condemned? Personally, as reprehensible as being raped would be, if I honestly thought that I would at least live through it by remaining silent, I wouldn't utter a sound.
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Coragyps
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Message 19 of 22 (58343)
09-28-2003 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Silent H
09-16-2003 7:40 PM


According to His rules, the divorce stands unless the parents prove her innocence by showing the bloodstained sheets to the local populace
Unless I'm hallucinating, (which might be....) they brought out the sheets the morning after Prince Charles and Princess Diana married to prove that she was a virgin. I'm quite sure that Di had to pass a hymen integrity test from a physician before the wedding....
I don't think stoning was seriously considered, though.

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Coragyps
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Message 20 of 22 (58346)
09-28-2003 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by mike the wiz
09-17-2003 10:07 PM


Re: ???
Besides, your conclusions about God saying kill women who have been raped, - well lets just say i don't think it says that.
Which Bible are you reading, Mike? Not the Judeo-Christian one, I presume?

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Rei
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Message 21 of 22 (58358)
09-28-2003 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by balyons
09-28-2003 4:41 PM


You're 14. You're walking home from a friend's house. You see an 18 year old that you know who is kind of a creep on the road ahead. You ignore him. He starts talking to you as you pass him. You ignore him. He puts a knife to your throat.
You're a terrified 14 year old, and you have a blade to your throat. Do you scream?
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illuminate me."

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Dr Jack
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Message 22 of 22 (58455)
09-29-2003 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by balyons
09-28-2003 4:41 PM


God does not condemn the women for not screaming loud enough- she is condemned for not screaming at all.
Well clearly! It all makes sense now. Yes, I fully agree with you. Not screaming when you're being violently assaulted, violated and threatened is a crime for which stoning to death is the only fitting punishment. Her failure to properly protest clearly makes her morally equal to her attacker and deserving of exactly the same punishment. What just and moral god could suggest otherwise?
if I was in a town with no artificial sounds such as they had thousands of years ago, somebody would hear me.
Ever been on a farm, Balyons?

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