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Dr Adequate
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Message 12 of 45 (587960)
10-21-2010 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Panda
10-21-2010 2:39 PM


The reason most smokers enjoy their coffee/cigarette is because since their last coffee/cigarette they have been gradually feeling worse and worse as withdrawal takes effect.
Well, this is what we're told to think. But can it really be true?
"You genuinely enjoyed your first few cigarettes, I'll admit that. But you don't enjoy them any more, even though you think that you do. That's just your addiction talking."
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 18 of 45 (587979)
10-21-2010 5:22 PM
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10-21-2010 3:29 PM


I do not recall anyone enjoying their first few cigarettes.
I'm sorry, I thought that that was your point.
So ... according to you ... no-one enjoys cigarettes when they first try them ... and then they continue not to enjoy them when they become hooked on them?
Wow, their marketing must be really good.

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Message 26 of 45 (588022)
10-22-2010 1:02 AM
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10-21-2010 5:40 PM


Ask a smoker to describe what they are feeling as they smoke. Ask them to pinpoint what exactly is pleasurable.
Is it the taste? - ask them to describe the taste.
Is it the smell? - ask them to describe the smell.
Is it the feeling? - ask them what it feels like.
But a habitual drinker of pink lemonade would find such questions equally difficult to answer.

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Message 32 of 45 (588083)
10-22-2010 6:37 AM
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10-22-2010 5:56 AM


But your challenge was to describe the taste and smell. Now you've shifted the goalposts. By the new rules, it is easy for a smoker to meet your new challenge: all he has to say is "I like the taste and the smell". Or not. Apparently he doesn't even have to like the smell. All he has to say is: "I like the sharp taste of tobacco", and he's done.

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Message 34 of 45 (588090)
10-22-2010 7:21 AM
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10-22-2010 7:09 AM


'Sharp' and 'sweet' are both descriptions of taste.
'Clean' and 'refreshing' are both descriptions of feelings.
If you think I want some scientifically measured quantity of taste then you are wrong.
All I asked for (and all I gave as an example) were very every-day descriptions of taste, smell, etc.
Then if someone told you that cigarette smoke does taste sharp and does not taste sweet, he would apparently have done all that you now require.
What that would prove about smoking is becoming ever more obscure, but certainly any smoker could describe the taste of cigarette smoke to that degree of accuracy.

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Message 42 of 45 (588723)
10-27-2010 8:35 PM
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10-20-2010 6:39 PM



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