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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1181 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
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Sample of answers often posted,
quote: - If the scribes asked the lamb to provide a scripture reference (book, chapter, and verse) and bible translation,would that be necessary? That's not necessary because every fragment of ancient writing is self-evident. The ancient writings are evidence for themselves - If you recognize the alleged authority of any Archbishop then use the reference number of verse and chapter division that they printed in the bible for themselves. If you don't recognize the authority of the State of Vatican then don't use it since every verse division number pertains to them since 1560 when the fragments were entirelly divided into the verse numbering form. - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
CraztDiamond7 writes:
It has nothing to do with recognizing authority. It's just common courtesy to give the references - so people know what you're refering to. If you don't recognize the authority of the State of Vatican then don't use it since every verse division number pertains to them since 1560 when the fragments were entirelly divided into the verse numbering form. You can have brevity and clarify, or you can have accuracy and detail, but you can't easily have both. --Percy
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1181 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
ringo writes: CraztDiamond7 writes: If you don't recognize the authority of the State of Vatican then don't use it since every verse division number pertains to them since 1560 when the fragments were entirelly divided into the verse numbering form. It has nothing to do with recognizing authority. It's just common courtesy to give the references - so people know what you're refering to. -
- To whom the Word belongs - If a book that contains your words is written without numbers of verse divisions, Would you allow an unauthorized group, whose system is criminal and breaks all of the ten commandments, to divide it into the verse numbering form? - And whenever that verse division, that was first printed for themselves, is quoted and spoken as if it was a part of your word Would you call it happiness? - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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rueh Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
crazydiamond 7 writes: 1:1- To whom the Word belongs -1:2 If a book that contains your words and written without numbers of verse divisions, 1:3 Would you allow an unauthorized group, whose system is criminal and breaks all of the ten commandments, to divide it into the verse numbering form? 1:4 And whenever that verse division, that was first printed for themselves, is quoted and spoken as if it was a part of your word 1:5 Would you call it happiness? Yes I would. Edited by rueh, : No reason given. 'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat' The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
CrazyDiamond7 writes:
If I was God, I wouldn't be so petty. - To whom the Word belongs - If a book that contains your words is written without numbers of verse divisions, Would you allow an unauthorized group, whose system is criminal and breaks all of the ten commandments, to divide it into the verse numbering form? - And whenever that verse division, that was first printed for themselves, is quoted and spoken as if it was a part of your word Would you call it happiness? You can have brevity and clarify, or you can have accuracy and detail, but you can't easily have both. --Percy
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Its nice to have the numbering system so that we can look up the verses ourselves and know exactly what the other person is talking about.
If you don't recognize the authority of the State of Vatican then don't use it since every verse division number pertains to them since 1560 when the fragments were entirelly divided into the verse numbering form. That would be most unhelpful. Here's what you can do... Provide the numbering system with the caveat that you don't recongnize the authority of State of Vatican that put them there. Simple, no?
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Is it necessary to provide the Vatican's numbering system? thread in the Suggestions and Questions forum.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1181 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
ringo writes: CrazyDiamond7 writes: - To whom the Word belongs - If a book that contains your words is written without numbers of verse divisions, Would you allow an unauthorized group, whose system is criminal and breaks all of the ten commandments, to divide it into the verse numbering form? - And whenever that verse division, that was first printed for themselves, is quoted and spoken as if it was a part of your word Would you call it happiness? If I was God, I wouldn't be so petty. - But the word does not belong to a god or elohiym; common generic designation for deities in the Middle east. The word belongs to I AMEL [the One that Declares] ELYON [from a celestial place] If you were as I AMyou would use a verse division number created by whom is of I AM instead of using the means that were imposed under an alleged authority of an Archbishop and corrupt Cardinals.
If you were as I AM you would declare this, let's come out of her, -
quote: - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
CrazyDiamond7 writes: ringo writes: CrazyDiamond7 writes: - To whom the Word belongs - If a book that contains your words is written without numbers of verse divisions, Would you allow an unauthorized group, whose system is criminal and breaks all of the ten commandments, to divide it into the verse numbering form? - And whenever that verse division, that was first printed for themselves, is quoted and spoken as if it was a part of your word Would you call it happiness? If I was God, I wouldn't be so petty. - But the word does not belong to a god or elohiym; common generic designation for deities in the Middle east. The word belongs to I AMEL [the One that Declares] ELYON [from a celestial place] If you were as I AMyou would use a verse division number created by whom is of I AM instead of using the means that were imposed under an alleged authority of an Archbishop and corrupt Cardinals.
If you were as I AM you would declare this, let's come out of her, -
quote: - Reading that made my head hurt, sounded like so much gibberish to me. I would ask you to explain....but I probably wouldn't understand the answer being as we seem to use the English language much differently. Common words probably have different meanings for you making any explanation you could give me unintelligible to me....but I think you mean the catholic church is bad...I agree...although I feel most religions are self-serving and all about money in the end. As far as the numbering system goes...well I find it convenient when looking up passages used as reference. When you convince the rest of Christianity to use another system I will use it. Or maybe you can fix all the stuff that's wrong with the whole book...why not, wouldn't be the first time ...right??
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1181 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
fearandloathing writes:
..maybe you can fix all the stuff that's wrong with the whole book..
- I didn't say that there was anything wrong with the substitutions.Actually every replacement of words in the whole book was necessary, for example, who wins when the Tetragrammaton is set apart and separate from the religions,
When one keeps the Tetragrammaton separate from being used in the tradings, then the substitute name for the lamb, Iesus and the title 'lord', that have been used for the interests of the tradings of religion are necessary. quote: - Not every translation of scripture is made exclusively for the elected ones.The translations made for the eighth nation (the State of Vatican) is a sample of things made for the interests of religion and doctrines. What if the set apart names were not set apart but left for the interests of the trades of religion,instead of their usage of the substitute names Iesus and lord? Would that not be a real evil and a dishonor?
quote: - Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : update
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1532 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Wat????
Is it necessary to provide the Vaticans numbering system? Yes if you want to quote chapter and verse as is tradition in most churches. It is not some evil conspiracy of the Catholic church.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2726 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Diamond.
CrazyDiamond7 writes: If a book that contains your words is written without numbers of verse divisions, Would you allow an unauthorized group, whose system is criminal and breaks all of the ten commandments, to divide it into the verse numbering form? And whenever that verse division, that was first printed for themselves, is quoted and spoken as if it was a part of your word Would you call it happiness? First, how exactly does an indexing system break the Ten Commandments? For example, what does it have to do with adultery? On second thought, I'm not sure I want to know that. Next, if somebody thought the volume of discussion and analysis my writings were attracting merited a system of precision organization to facilitate further use of my work, I would be tickled pink: do you realize how much value that would mean they place on my writings? Finally, why on earth should I call it "happiness"? That's so lame I can't even think of a joke sarcastic enough to mock it adequately. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
I only now know of Tetragrammaton what little I just read in Wiki. Thanks for trying to clear me up on what I read.. I get the point you are shooting for...wasn't sure the how or why. I enjoy learning about any religion, or interpretation of one,along with cultural beliefs of native peoples. I will learn more about tetragrammaton soon, very interesting.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
CrazyDiamond7 writes:
As I said, if I was as I AM, I wouldn't be so petty. I'd be glad of any number system that helped make My Holy Word™ easier to understand. If you were as I AMyou would use a verse division number created by whom is of I AM instead of using the means that were imposed under an alleged authority of an Archbishop and corrupt Cardinals. Any I AM WHO IS concerned about such trivialities isn't worthy of my notice. If you have nothing to say, you could have done so much more concisely. -- Dr Adequate
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
All the works of Shakespeare are indexed by act, scene and line number.
It's quite useful to scholars and aficionados alike. No one remembers offhand who indexed them or, by referencing them, agrees with whatever perspective he had. And Shakespeare was a much better writer than god. Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale? -Shakespeare Real things always push back.-William James
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