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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Actually Buz, silver is not used in many electronic components because it is so corrosive. Actually, actually, being corrosive would mean that it is the one doing the damage I'm not aware of a term for a property of a metal for how resistant it is to corrosion... like, "Corrosibility" or something.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
There's no such thing as "financial security". People making payments on a million-dollar house are as close to being on the street as people paying $500 rent. My salary has increased substantially but I kept my bills the same - I'm financially secure. You don't have to live at the edge of your means...
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What if you got sick and couldn't work? Savings and disability. That'd last until my inheritance.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
And we don't all get sick and can't work.
People can be financially secure.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I couldn't care less if anybody can leave anything to their heirs. I'd rather leave their heirs a world in which they can make their own way. And if their own way is the ability to leave something to their heirs?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I didn't work hard all my life to simply earn minimum wage forever. What are the last three marketable skills that you've learned?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I'm saying that they shouldn't expect the economic system to prop up their ability to do so. I think it is fair to expect the economic system to allow them to do so.
They are not being "down-trodden" just because they can't do it. They'd be "down-trodden" in the same way as anybody who is prevented from making their own way.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Have I said otherwise? I got the implication.
The working class is still more down-trodden than the middle class. And part of the down-treading is by the middle class. By how much? 1/4th? 1/100th?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I was wondering how much of the down-treading you thought was caused by the middle class.
And the middle class want low prices for groceries, restaurant meals, etc. which requires low wages for the workers. If the work isn't worth it then you shouldn't expect people to pay for it - that's not trodding someone down, that's just business.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
"Worth it" how? Why is handling your food "worth" less than a middle-class job? If it is going to cost me $10 to pay someone to bring a plate of food from that side of the restaurant to this one, then I'll just go over there and grab it myself. That isn't worth $10 to me. If that isn't an option, then I won't go to your restaurant... and then nobody is getting paid.
How is he "worth" more? I dunno, I self-checkout and bag my own groceries.
Where's the distinction? There's nothing wrong with doing business.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
And yet restaurants still exist. They don't charge $10 to carry a plate across the room yet...
So the question remains: Why is one server worth more than another? I don't know why you're asking me that... Some servers are better than others in how they treat customers and fulfill their duties - as a patron that is where the value is provided. Not all servers are the same quality. The last two bars I went to were night and day in how the bartender treated me and did their job. The good one made a lot more money off me than the bad one.
I asked you what the distinction is between doing business and treading somebody down. Just treading people down is wrong but doing business isn't. That I gave the exceptional bartender a huge tip and the bad bartender a normal one is not me making the bad one downtrodden - they just suck at their job and are experiencing the consequences.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But they're not paid according to their quality More quality = more tip = more pay.
As I said, a server with twenty years' experience is still paid minimum wage - Not necessarily if you're counting tips - and if so that's their fault.
- and she's likely to make less in tips than the sexy blonde who was hired yesterday too. And the guy in the fancy place is making even more. So what? Maybe serving isn't a job that you can rely on as being a sustainable career...
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
that isn't necessarily true It doesn't have to be necessarily true
unless you count sexy blondeness as "quality". It certainly helps
And not every minimum wage worker gets tips. So?
They have to take whatever work they can get. Ok... What's your point? I'm afraid you've lost me.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Your point seems to be that minimum wage earners don't deserve to be treated fairly. How so?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You were saying that wages plus tips makes a fair income. I was? This is the first time you mentioned fairness to me here, iirc.
I pointed out that all minimum wage earners don't get tips. I didn't realize that you were trying to say that it isn't fair for someone to make minimum wage without tips. I don't agree to that.
Forget about tips. Don't minimum wage earners deserve a living wage? No, not necessarily - it depends on the value of the work they are providing to the employer. And that is fair.
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