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MrHambre
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Message 1 of 44 (54986)
09-11-2003 5:35 PM


"I think the scientific evidence that God created the universe 13-15 billion years ago is good."
Discovery Institute Fellow Henry Schaefer, Ph.D. in Chemical Physics
Standard Evolutionary Theory Has Shortcomings
Atlanta Journal-Constitution
September 28, 2002
"Scientific critics, as we have seen, are routinely stigmatized as religiously motivated."
Discovery Institute Fellow Stephen C. Meyer
Director of the Center for Science and Culture
WorldNetDaily.com
September 28, 2001
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MrHambre
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Message 21 of 44 (61756)
10-20-2003 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dr Cresswell
10-19-2003 5:37 AM


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The evidence for God is simply not capable of being analysed by the scientific method, as it is of a non-material nature. Now if you happen to believe that anything that can't be addressed by science is either non-existant or totally trivial then I guess that's the end of the discussion for you. Personally I find assessing the evidence for God to be closer to describing why a particular bit of poetry is good - it just can't be done by science (remember that scene in "Dead Poets Society"?) and will result in a variety of "answers".
The point is not that anything outside of the scientific realm is trivial or nonexistent, just meaningless in a scientific context.
You can believe that extramaterial or supernatural things exist. They just don't matter scientifically unless they can also be said to exist in our material, natural plane. This is the only way science can be done, the first step in formulating hypotheses about the natural world: nothing is included that cannot be detected or verified.
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MrHambre
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Message 25 of 44 (61791)
10-20-2003 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Dr Cresswell
10-20-2003 2:16 PM


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But, it is a big step from "don't matter scientifically" to "don't matter at all" ... which is a step some athiests seem to want to make.
In fact, it is the creationists who have trouble keeping these separate. Phillip Johnson explicitly denies that there is any difference between methodological naturalism (the basis of evidential empirical induction) and ontological naturalism (atheism). This type of belief is the opposite of faith, since it insists that it can be supported by evidence.
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-Brad McFall

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