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Dream Master
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Message 1 of 14 (6161)
03-05-2002 9:55 PM


Let me introduce myself. I'm a 21 year old 'young man' studying a 5 year carreer in computer engineering. While biology is not precisely my favorite subject, I've come to believe in certain principles that for the first time in my life, have been subject to a mass debate (a more than century old debate).
I know the entire site is dedicated to debating creationism versus evolution, but I had no idea, whatsoever, that this comparison between apples and oranges was still as backwards as it was 100 years ago.
It's too hard for me to actually believe that over 57% of the population in the United States (and just there apparently), believes so naively that God just literally created the world in 7 days.
"literally"
Doesn't that seem incredibly odd to anyone?
I'm a roman catholic living in an ultra catholic country (Mexico), but even the most innocent primary school student would know the difference between a nice fairytale-like analogy to the beginning of the universe and an actual effort to explain, logically and objectively the true creation of the universe.
I accept that Creationism is but a childs interpretation of all the theories we have yet to discover about how God, from a superatom to the first homo sapien sapien, created everything.
Face it, as a civilization of 'rational' human beings, we can and should only accept our own scientific observations as 'objective education' in the classroom.
On what sane grounds does the board of education in iowa or idaho, not educate children in the latest advances of the only universally acceptable ideas of our existance? Creationism is an idea for experienced philosopher and theologists to interpret (I've never seen a more cryptic passage in all the bible), but outside of that, it's nothing more than a bedtime story, an interesting cosmological myth for the enthusiast. The layman is not ready to actually comprehend the implications of comparing creationism with evolution, because he lacks the educated and sought after criteria of an educated man.
In my mind this debate is silly. Long before our dear pope said so, to me Evolution, the Physical-Chemical Theory and the Big Bang were already a form of dogma to me. So...
Can we play with our own genetic tapestry in the meantime? I don't see why not.
Can we equally, in the same manner, rationalize nature's quarks?
Oh yes, most definitely
Evolution is, currently, the only way to go. If you've got a better, more complex and sophisticated, yet precise idea of how we came about, then by all means debate evolution. But if you give me a fairly vague and cryptic explanation, as the genesis states, without explaining how you 'scientifically' correlate verse to fact, then the current popular interpretation of creationism is not only childish and immature, but also innapropriate.
And if this appears to be somewhat of a hostile interrogatory then you'll have to excuse both my frustration and disappointment with a group of people (creationists) who completely lack some form of rational, logical and convincing statements to their perspective.
[This message has been edited by Dream Master, 03-05-2002]

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Dream Master
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Message 8 of 14 (6205)
03-06-2002 3:02 PM


I don't argue with intelligent design, it's actually a step closer to accepting that our creation had a purpose and that (as Einstein said it) God does not play dice with the universe.
I don't think evolution actually leaves an all knowing and perfect creator out of the picture.
As an engineer, I often love to imagine that every single permutation, cosmic scenario, living thing and love has an equation to it that humanity can find and toy with, but for the time being, I'd have to say that we can't find them all...we just need more time to study them.
Intelligent design maybe independent from the 'origin of life' idea, being that at it's root is pure open mindedness, but I can't go thinking that something happened, something designed, of which I have not the slightest idea what it was. I need an anchor, a constant, and that would be evolution. This constant will change to something better, but that's all I need for now.
Creationism is an akward step backwards for me because it places too much in blind faith, or magic and our universe has absolutely nothing magical about it. It's all perfect and it's all explainable, but it's not a 'mandrake the magician' scheme. There is a cause and effect in all things in this universe whether people like it or not.
Of course there's a design but I need to know it.

  
Dream Master
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Message 13 of 14 (6263)
03-07-2002 9:55 PM


Hmmm, creationist engineers...pompous so called engineers.
Yes unfortunately they exist
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They have a special affinity and take comfort in math and certainty, and because they are engineers, they also think that they understand science.
Unfortunately, they often don't accept that much of science is inference, not mathematical "proofs", and that they actually don't know much about science.
Engineers put to practice everything science has given us. One thing is that we might not be as theoretical as investigators but we shine the light on the whole idea and give it a purpose, a technological purpose so that we may further elevate the quality of life for all humans.
People don't give us enough credit and we're the ones busting our chops and our brains for the future of mankind.

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