Cast your Vote Evolutionists

Why would you care about my vote. The anatomists who have studied them have made it clear they are NOT us. I'll go with their expert opinion. What I have seen of the differences is enough to convince me.You understand this isn't decided by a vote don't you?

Apostle, why don't you look at the information available and tell us what you think?

Prozac, The question is "just like". That may not be a very well defined phrase but taking a reasonable definition of it we are pretty clearly not "just like" Neanderthals. Even if they are a subspecies of H. sapiens they are still not "just like".

No, Godel demonstrates that there are *some* statements which can't be proved. It is still possible to give an unequivocal yes/no answer in math. Just not all the time.

Did anyone say Neanderthal didn't show intelligence? Or that erectus didn't? Or a Bonobo? So what?I have read speculations about Neanderthals wondering about how intelligent they were. They could have been as intelligent as we. Maybe a different kind of intelligence? Maybe one like we had for a long time? Somethings will always be hard to be sure about.You statment needs to change? I may be about to be astonished! I hope so.

They are afterall classed (at least in some places) as Homo sapiens neanderthalis. So they are a subspecies. I guess we agree on that.However, they are NOT deformed members of modern human forms. They are NOT made in the same image as were are. There are no humans like them alive. Do you disagree with that?

Speaking of misconceptions.You seem to be equating "early man" with the Neanderthals and cro magnon and these being closer to the "apes". For example you comments on longer arms and smaller brains.You need to learn a lot more about other homonids and those that preceeded them. Neanderthal and cro-magnon are not "early" in our evolutionary history at all! They are the very, very last steps to fully modern humans and were very close to us. So of course they have human like brains (cromagnon was, in fact, "us" ) and anatomy.Your whole post about misconceptions seems to be a misconception itself.

I think that is a misconception too. But then there are lots of very old texts floating around. So maybe.It is just that what you said didn't have anything to do with Neanderthal, separate from any artists misconceptions or outdated ideas.

I'm just finishing "The Wisdom of Bones" by Walker and Shipman. He is the investigator on WT 15k. Very well written, interesting light read.

The idea that H. habilis are H. sapiens seems enormously difficult to fathom. Could you give some details for your reasoning?In fact you're combined suggestion that some are australopithecines while other are H. sapien seems to be even weirder.It appears that the only reason you might try to jump to this is to make the gap between australopithecines and Homo as great as possible. In other words, the missing link(s) are found and now you simply want to wish them away.