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Panda
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Message 327 of 377 (636208)
10-04-2011 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by xongsmith
10-04-2011 4:43 PM


Re: english 101
xongsmith writes:
Any of us would possibly love to do that, but...only after you tell us when you quit beating & cheating on your wife.
I don't have a wife.
Well - that was not a difficult question to answer.
And if RAZD wants to make up positions that no-one else has put forward, as if they are some kind of 'gotcha', then I am left with no option but to point out that he is either making a meaningless point or he is mis-representing someone.
Seriously, Xongsmith - only post when you are sober.
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Panda
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Message 337 of 377 (636298)
10-05-2011 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 328 by New Cat's Eye
10-05-2011 9:44 AM


Re: english 101
CS writes:
In Message 241:, Straggler wrote:
Ah - I see.
RAZD was referring to a statement made by another poster 70 posts previous.
Perhaps if he had mentioned that I could have asked him what that has to do with whether untestability alone is a barrier to taking an atheistic stance towards a given proposition.
As to "there are no gods": there is no way to prove something doesn't exist.
But it is possible to prove that something does exist.
And the longer that search for evidence remains unsuccessful: the more atheistic (6) your stance can be.
When evidence is found that conflicts with the existence of something: the more atheistic (6) your stance can be.
It is simply inductive reasoning. The more the evidence points you in a direction: the more likely that it is the correct direction.
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Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Panda
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Message 347 of 377 (636333)
10-05-2011 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by xongsmith
10-05-2011 6:36 PM


Re: english 101
xongsmith writes:
Is there a sobriety test here now?
If there was, this would be you failing it:
xongsmith writes:
Excuse me. Maybe your future ex-wife?
Maybe something even more fundamental?

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Panda
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Message 351 of 377 (636375)
10-06-2011 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 349 by RAZD
10-05-2011 11:42 PM


Re: How about addressing the issues instead of the people making them
RAZD writes:
Now, curiously, a priori assumptions are by definition untestable: they are assumed to be true to see what develops as a result.
Do you AGREE with me that a priori assumptions are by definition untestable?
  YES ... or
  NO ... and
if no, please explain why ...
Curiously, the answer is 'No' because a priori assumptions are not by definition untestable.
Assuming them to be true does not mean they are untested or untestable.

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Panda
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Message 353 of 377 (636379)
10-06-2011 6:49 AM
Reply to: Message 352 by Chuck77
10-06-2011 6:46 AM


Re: How about addressing the issues instead of the people making them
Chuckles writes:
Panda writes:
Assuming them to be true does not mean they are untested or untestable.
Wierd.
quote:
a priori assumption
(ay pree or-ee) From Latin, an assumption that is knowable without further need to prove or experience it.
Notice in the definition where it says:
without further need to prove or experience it.
Yes.
I notice it does not say it is untested or untestable.
What do you think the word 'further' means in that context?
{abe}
Chuckles writes:
And also, if your going to misquote RAZD in his actual posts that you quote, atleast note it for everyone, or, just don't do it.
You have the box checked *no* in your quote of RAZD when in fact in his post it is left un-checked.
Firstly, it is not unchecked. The 'Yes' is checked. (Use peek mode - the 'checked' flag is set.)
Secondly, it was an interactive question: I interacted with it.
p.s.
I wish you didn't delete your own posts when they embarrass you.
It means I have to quote everything you post.
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Panda
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Message 355 of 377 (636402)
10-06-2011 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by RAZD
10-06-2011 9:01 AM


Re: How about addressing the issues instead of the people making them
RAZD writes:
Do you AGREE with me that a priori assumptions are by definition untestable?
Panda writes:
Curiously, the answer is 'No' because a priori assumptions are not by definition untestable.
RAZD writes:
Do you agree that the a priori assumption that nature\reality exists is untestable?
You are moving the goal posts.
Do you agree that your previous post regarding a priori assumptions is wrong?
Do you still think that a priori assumptions are by definition untestable?
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Panda
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Message 359 of 377 (636491)
10-06-2011 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 357 by RAZD
10-06-2011 5:48 PM


Re: How about addressing the issues instead of the people making them
RAZD writes:
Can you give me an example of an a priori assumption that is testable? -- you've made the claim that there is at least one that can be tested, yes?
So now you are shifting the burden of proof.
This is the second fallacy you have committed (the other one being goal-post moving).
As you are someone who constantly points out other people's logical fallacies: you will therefore understand why I feel that you are being completely dishonest.
As I said to Chuckles:
quote:
a priori assumption
(ay pree or-ee) From Latin, an assumption that is knowable without further need to prove or experience it.
It does not say it is untested or untestable.
What do you think the word 'further' means in that context?
Well, I will do your homework for you this time and then await your next deceitful response.
Here is an example of a testable a priori:
In economics it is a fundamental a priori assumption that consumers behave rationally.
This can be tested by providing consumers controlled choices and collating the results or by analysing purchasing patterns.
Do you agree that your post regarding a priori assumptions is wrong?
Do you still think that a priori assumptions are, by definition, untestable?
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If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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