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1.61803
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Message 15 of 28 (658478)
04-05-2012 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Greatest I am
04-04-2012 6:41 PM


Blasphemy against the holy ghost is unforgivable according the the holy bible.
Matthew 12:31-32 --- "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come."
Mark 3:28-29 --- "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."
Luke 12:10 --- "And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him." See also: Luke 11:14f.
Are they not equal?
The concept of the Trinity is that they are one with the Father same substance. The Holy Roman church during the council of
Nicaea in 325 AD concluded after much debate that the Church must adopt a uniform creed. It became known as the Nicean Creed and to this day is the cornerstone of Catholicism.
Further, apparently all sins be they a lie or a murder are all punished the same way.
According to the Catholic Catechism sin is divided into venial and mortal sin.
A mortal sin:
1. It must be of a grave matter;
2. It must be committed with full knowledge that it is a mortal sin;
3. It must be committed with full consent. [Full consent means to do it "voluntarily."] (C.C.C. # 1857)
What is so special about the holt spirit?
Why does it seem to have more power or whatever than the father or even Jesus who we now have to go through?
According to the dogma of theTrinity.
The Holy Ghost is a Person really distinct as such from the Father and the Son;
He is God and consubstantial with the Father and the Son.
why does it seem to have more power or whatever than the father or even Jesus who we now have to go through?
I am the way etc.
John 14:6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This stance was somewhat reversed by the Catholic church during Vatican II when the Pope came out and extended salvation and grace to all people. It has been and still is a schism in the faith.
This is all simply a matter of belief as taught by the Catholic church, your mileage may vary
Edited by 1.61803, : removed redundant .

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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1.61803
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Message 26 of 28 (660507)
04-26-2012 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Greatest I am
04-20-2012 2:17 PM


Greatest I am writes:
You forgot to mention why the Holy Ghost is favored.
Hello, I do not think the Holy Ghost is "favored" per se.
I do not think there is a discernible answer though.
One view is that if a person rebels against the very instrument by which grace is achieved, they are in essence unrepentant and incapable of redemption.
Greatest I am writes:
Or indeed, why Jesus is now the judge of man and not the trinity that Constantine forced down Christianity’s throat.
Jesus the son of God representing a new covenant and mediator between God the Father and Jew &Gentiles alike.This Is one common Christian teaching.
Greatest I Am writes:
Seems that everybody gets a starring role except for the unsavory God the father in the O. T.
The Bible is a very interesting fragmented piece of literature. What it means to you personally and what message you take away can either be a cause of conflict, confusion or enlightenment. It is very provocative in my opinion.
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"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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