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Coyote
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Message 3 of 43 (687064)
01-07-2013 11:20 AM


Science first?
Before we spend several trillion dollars we don't have and ruin the global economy, let's get the science settled first.
AGW Bombshell? A new paper shows statistical tests for global warming fails to find statistically significantly anthropogenic forcing
AGW Bombshell? A new paper shows statistical tests for global warming fails to find statistically significant anthropogenic forcing – Watts Up With That?
From the journal Earth System Dynamics billed as An Interactive Open Access Journal of the European Geosciences Union comes this paper which suggests that the posited AGW forcing effects simply isn’t statistically significant in the observations, but other natural forcings are.
We show that although these anthropogenic forcings share a common stochastic trend, this trend is empirically independent of the stochastic trend in temperature and solar irradiance. Therefore, greenhouse gas forcing, aerosols, solar irradiance and global temperature are not polynomially cointegrated. This implies that recent global warming is not statistically significantly related to anthropogenic forcing. On the other hand, we find that greenhouse gas forcing might have had a temporary effect on global temperature.
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Coyote
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Message 8 of 43 (687103)
01-07-2013 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
01-07-2013 3:53 PM


Re: Science first?
What do you think would ruin the global economy specifically?
Spending money we don't have and losing much of our energy infrastructure. Ref: the recent regulations impacting the US coal industry. This could be mitigated by building nuclear power plants again, but the irrational phobias out there are preventing that in the US.
What makes you think several trillion dollars need to be spent?
There are many such estimates on the web. Here's the first one I found:
Capital Cost of Germany's ENERGIEWENDE
- The capital cost estimate for Germany to implement its ENERGIEWENDE would be about $4.5 trillion by 2050, according to a cost estimate by Siemens.
- The US capital cost would be about $18.7 trillion by 2050, if the US were to follow Germany’s course.
- The world’s capital cost would be about 3-4 times the US cost, if the entire world were to follow Germany’s course.
Global Warming Targets and Capital Costs of Germany's 'Energiewende' | Energy Central
What makes you think we don't have several trillion dollars?
Latest reports put our current debt at over 16 trillion dollars, and unfunded mandates could run as high as 100 trillion dollars.
Edited by Coyote, : typo

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