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Author Topic:   A Better Theory: In Defense of Food by Michael Pollan
New Cat's Eye
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Message 39 of 78 (698512)
05-07-2013 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Taq
05-07-2013 4:46 PM


Re: The right calories
What is it about fructose in fruits that makes it less dangerous?
Here's another thing that I find weird about the whole HFCS scare:
Regular old sugar, sucrose, is 50% fructose and 50% glucose.
High Fructose Corn Syrup is... wait for it... 55% fructose and 45% glucose.
ZOMG! ITS SO HIGH IN FRUCTOSE!

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Message 43 of 78 (698524)
05-07-2013 8:43 PM
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05-07-2013 5:49 PM


Re: The right calories
So, three apples a day is about the equivalent of one can of Coke on a fructose to fructose basis.
And that's assuming a 100 g apple. Shit, the Granny Smith's at my local farmer's market are easily pushing 300 grams.

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Message 50 of 78 (698593)
05-08-2013 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by onifre
05-08-2013 10:37 AM


Re: The right calories
It doesn't matter how much it has. What matters is how fast your body absorbes it,
Does that not depend on how much you have?
And how does your body distinguish between a fructose molecule that came from an apple and one that came from a Pepsi? I don't think its the fructose, itself, but all the shit surrounding it.
By having HFCS you can significantly increase the amount of sugar you consume on a daily basis.
How significant? How does simply having HFCS allow for that?
If I was a conspiracy guy, I'd say the corn people are in bed with the healthcare people and try hard to produce "evidence" that HFCS is good for you so you eat it, get obese and depend more on healthcare.
Its nothing personal, its just business

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Message 52 of 78 (698598)
05-08-2013 11:47 AM
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05-08-2013 11:24 AM


Re: The right calories
What matters is how much fiber it has.
Yeah, I don't think there's anything particularly bad about fructose. Nor do I think that there anything wrong with corn syrup that has its fructose levels increase from 50% all the way up to 55%.
As I said, its all the shit around it that matters.
getting your sugar from fruits, especially an apple or pears that are high in fiber, reduces how fast fructose is absorbed into the bloodstream. This works for any carbs also.
Were as, if you're getting your sugar from a soda with no fiber, it is immediately absorbed into the bloodstream.
Out of curiosity, how does fiber affect the fructose absorption rate?

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Message 59 of 78 (698753)
05-09-2013 10:05 AM
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05-08-2013 1:05 PM


Re: The right calories
Research suggests otherwise. I know the 5% increase (which means a 10% difference between fructose and glucose levels) seems tiny, but animal research indicates that HFCS causes substantially greater weight gain than sugar when caloric intake is held constant, for example, A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain.
Thanks for the links. Out of curiosity, do you know how much HFCS they were eating? Was it, like, 20 cans of Coke a day, or something? Or was it a fairly reasonable amount?

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Message 60 of 78 (698755)
05-09-2013 10:11 AM
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05-08-2013 12:06 PM


Re: The right calories
Well that all makes sense and I don't have any disagreement or argument.

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Message 65 of 78 (698866)
05-10-2013 10:08 AM
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05-09-2013 6:49 PM


Fiber slows down the rate the body absorbes nutrients and chemicals
Is that why it makes you poop so much? 'Cause you ain't absorbing shit?

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Message 67 of 78 (698872)
05-10-2013 10:52 AM
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05-10-2013 10:31 AM


Soluble fiber helps with cholesterol and that.
So, my dad's dad died of a heart attack when I was a child. Dad had a quadruple bypass in his 50's. Growing up he was a steak and potatoes (with lots of butter) kind of guy. His cholesterol levels were through the roof, it blocked his arteries, thus the bypasses. He's now on a low cholesterol diet (oh, and a statin), which included adding HDL's and other things to help his body lower the LDL's. We have the same doctor, and he's put me on a low cholesterol diet as well. Might as well start now, since there's also a genetic component, and then hopefully I won't have to go through the same thing. I really like grains and fruits, almonds (especially the wasabi and soy sauce ones!), salmon, beans and all that stuff. I quit eggs, shrimp, and cheese. I don't drink soda (unless there's liquor in it).\
There's a farmer's market, like, 150 yards down the street from my house, so we just get our vegetables from there. I usually have chicken or pork for protein. On a special occasion, I'll grill up a porterhouse.
Diet alone has lowered my total cholesterol level, and the good foods have bettered my HDL/LDL balance. So far so good. My biggest problem now is a lack of exercise.
Eat two or three of those per-day and you're body will be shitting gloriously and fighting cancer at the same time.
So I stayed at my parents house over the holidays and had some of my dad's on-diet high fiber cereal one morning. Let me telling, the shitting was not glorious. Dear Lord!
I suppose your body gets used to the intake, but that initial plunge was something else.
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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Message 71 of 78 (698925)
05-10-2013 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by onifre
05-10-2013 3:04 PM


I'm not at a good point in my life for a radical upheaval, but one of these days I'd like to clean out my fridge and pantry and just get rid of everything and start over. It'd be a lot easier for me to eat right (I don't mind the eating of the good stuffs) if it was more convenient for me. Well, I guess what I'd be doing is making it an inconvenience to get the bad stuffs and then fall back onto the good stuffs by default (cause that's what I'd have laying around).
I think that's really the only way for me to get her done. If I'm looking for a snack and there isn't a bag of chips sitting there that I can just eat right out of, but instead I have some fruit, nuts, or veggies as the only option, then that's what I'd be eating. I keep the good stuff on hand, but if my GF bring home a bag of Doritoes and I'm in the middle of a game, or something, well its just so much easier to get your teeth on the bad stuffs when both options are sitting there.
the rest is fish (try wild as much as possible)
St. Louis is too far from either coast to get good fish, as far as I'm aware, but I haven't serious looked hard.
plus it's free of any chemicals and/or hormones
Well, it has chemicals in it, but I know what you're sayin'.
I'm not really afraid of chemicals and hormones and GMO's and all that stuff.

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