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Topic: The black hole at the center of the Universe.
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NoNukes
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Re: Irony meter hits the peg...
I'm trying to keep this discussion 'Scientific,' Irony meter back on the peg! You rock dude.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Re: Context
Percy, how can you say the expansion deccelrerated? There is absolutely no evidence - zero - for any 'slowing down' or 'deccelerating' of the expansion. Finally a reasonable question. The current theory is that the universe began with a period of inflation during which the size of the universe increased by a factor of 10 50 or so. This inflationary period accounts for a number of observable phenomena in the universe Physics - Can we test inflationary expansion of the early universe?
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Such a period would explain why the universe today appears very nearly spatially flat on average (even though the dynamics of the expanding universe generically drive it away from flatness). It would also explain why the microwave background today has almost the same temperature in all sky directions (even though in the standard cosmology, most points of origin for the microwave radiation we see today were never within each others’ causal horizon, meaning they were never in causal contact).
Of course the universe is not expanding at anything like that early rate. So the rate of expansion must have slowed before accelerating as is doing today. Further it is space that is expanding. You talk about us epxanding towards a black hole as if expansion means that objects in space are all moving apart through space. This is absolutely the wrong picture of what expansion is all about. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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What's wrong with you?
No Nukes, I'm not interested in current Theory You asked for evidence that expansion had decelerated before accelerating again. I provided reasons why scientist understand that state of affairs to be reality. My reasons are based on what is actually observed in the observable universe. Does it really make sense for you to ask for an explanation and then to refuse to hear or consider the explanation once it is provided? I suppose it does given that you don't really care about reality as much as you want your silly musings to be correct.
Anyway, Space is a vacuum. How do you get a vacuum to expand? In other words, you don't even understand the theory that you denigrate. Your explanation does not explain the origin or the uniformity of cmbr within the observable universe. That's enough reason to reject your explanation.
I talk about expansion as objects moving away from each other. My way's simpler, saying the same thing. No your way does not say the same thing. Do you understand that if the observed expansion actually consisted of objects moving through space as per your inane proposal, that distant observable objects would have to be moving faster than the speed of light relative to us in order to produce the red shifts that are observed? That's yet another reason to reject your proposal. And I will repeat yet another reason to reject your folly. Acceleration towards a singularity will not produce uniform expansion. In fact, in directions perpendicular to the direction of motion, we would expect to see objects moving closer to each other. That state of affairs is not observed. Edited by NoNukes, : Waste of @##$% time.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Message 270 of 305 (700958)
06-09-2013 11:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 262 by Percy
06-09-2013 9:03 PM
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Re: Context
The period of decelerating expansion I referred to was not inflation, see my previous message for more info. Of course, Percy. My point was that a decelerating expansion period would necessarily have to exist at some time between inflation and the current slow but accelerating expansion we have now.
NoNukes writes: Of course the universe is not expanding at anything like that early rate. So the rate of expansion must have slowed before accelerating as is doing today. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : Add quote from message
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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ell said, No Nukes.
The Universe this, and the Universe that - how can you talk about the Universe, when all we can see is the Observable Universe (OU)? I'm talking about what we observe. Quite obviously I am talking about the implications of what is present in the observable universe.
The Universe is flat? Who decided that? Do you know what it means for the universe to be flat?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Re: Context
Percy, that video was not good. I disagree. Your video was a hoot! I just wish you had covered the average density stuff.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Message 299 of 305 (701052)
06-10-2013 11:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 282 by jar
06-10-2013 12:01 PM
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Re: Jess gotta ask...
I have to ask why this thread ever got promoted even into Free For All Percy writes: Yes, I know. As Admin I explained to you that it wasn't evidence. You kept claiming it was too evidence and AdminPhat finally dumped your thread here in Free For All, land of the loons.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Re: Context
If you pull something, there is always the danger you might pull it apart, no? If you pull something, you're going to get Decompression and Expansion, both cooling effects. We're cooling, not warming, Percy. You are a buffoon. Aren't you supposed to be disproving "pulling something"?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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