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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But don't the holy texts of all the other religions also contain eyewitness testimonies for their particular mythologies? No. they don't involve history as the Bible does, which needs eyewitnesses to verify it. The Bible is about God acting in history before witnesses who tell us what they saw and why they believed in the God who did what they saw. There is nothing like that in the other religions which are mostly practices. and disciplines to develop "spiritual" powers. Or they require sacrifices to appease a local god. They don't try to prove the existence of God at all, they take God for granted, those religions that believe in God anyway. In the religions that worship local gods, sometimes people see them, sometimes they "manifest." The Bible tells us those are demons. Take it or leave it. Whoevern Hugh Ross is, he was right. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Yes, that's what you have, that's all you have, that's all any of us ever have. And what IS your point? Just beyond your grasp.
Don't think so. Uniformitarianism is a theory that applies to a completely unwitnessed situation ... Like the growth of the apple, then.
That's according to the theory that is. For me, I have lots of witnesses in the Bible ... That sounds awfully uncomfortable for them. How did you manage to fold them so small? Did they struggle? And before you so cruelly compressed them between the pages of your favorite book, how did you find out that they were witnesses? Witnesses to what? Surely not to the events in the Bible, all those people would be dead, wouldn't they?
but all you have is your specuiations about an unwitnessed past, coupled with others' speculations, but all speculations, no witnesses, no testability, no replicability. Ah, but y'see, this is not true. It's something you made up. Which kinda vitiates your argument, don't you think? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The Bible is about God acting in history before witnesses who tell us what they saw and why they believed in the God who did what they saw. There is nothing like that in the other religions ... 1 I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of my father; and having seen many afflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless, having been highly favored of the Lord in all my days; yea, having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God, therefore I make a record of my proceedings in my days. 2 Yea, I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians. 3 And I know that the record which I make is true; and I make it with mine own hand; and I make it according to my knowledge. ... read on ... Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The totally fictional and perfectly silly Book of Mormon purports to be a history but not for the purpose of proving God's reality and character as is the Bible. But I'm sure you can make it appear otherwise if you have a mind to.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wish to apologize for hijacking scienceishonesty's thread. Didn't intend to. Always forget how much zeal to argue with me I tend to attract. In any case I'm gone. Carry on.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As usual.
And you still didn't address the question of who was Admiral Gaspard de Coligny?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Amazing, you don't hate the murdering isms of this world. How very strange.quote:God bless Stalin and Faith.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The totally fictional and perfectly silly Book of Mormon purports to be a history but not for the purpose of proving God's reality and character as is the Bible. They seem fairly similar to me. I mean, they both have stories about God doing magic, what's the difference?
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Atheos canadensis Member (Idle past 3027 days) Posts: 141 Joined: |
The Bible is about God acting in history before witnesses who tell us what they saw and why they believed in the God who did what they saw. There is nothing like that in the other religions Demonstrably false. Sounds like you have about as much integrity as Hugh Ross. From the Qur'an:
quote: That is a description of the creation event as the author believes it to have occurred based on divine revelation; this is no different from Genesis. Same goes for Hindu descriptions of creation:
quote: Here: Norse Creation Myth you can read the Norse creation story So clearly you are either lying or ignorant when you claim that no other religion offers an explanation of how creation came about. Simply saying that the Bible tells you that all those other religions are human or demon in origin in no way constitutes an actual argument for why your creation myth is the right one. It's the circular reasoning you guys always use; the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true.
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Atheos canadensis Member (Idle past 3027 days) Posts: 141 Joined:
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Uniformitarianism is a theory that applies to a completely unwitnessed situation, a time in the past before any human beings existed. Uniformitarianism is fundamentally the assumption that physical laws in the past operate the same way they have ALWAYS bee observed to work. Deniers of this principle such as yourself never offer a reason or evidence that physical law as observed today is different than physical law in the past. You are forced to reject the entirety of human observation in favour of no observation whatsoever. And don't tell me you have the Bible to guide you. Apart from that being convincing only to you, the Bible doesn't mention decay rates and dendrochronology. Therefore to dispute such lines of evidence you have absolutely nothing to base such disputations upon. I see you've run away now. As I predicted, you are perfectly willing to spray us with your bald assertions but very reluctant to provide support for them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Guess I'm not out of here yet. Oh well. Again you confuse persons with isms. You can't even bring yourself to hate a murdering ideology, how "nice" of you.
However, Jesus did teach us to hate even our own families if they draw us away from the Truth, so your quote is a tad out of context. Also, there are psalms that teach praying for the restraint and even punishment of evil people. Not "carnal" retaliation on our part, since "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God..." but spiritual. That is, we are not ever advised to use physical force against even the wicked, with the exception of self defense in some circumstances.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Admiral Gaspard de Coligny was a Huguenot military leader who was killed at the start of the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, jar, as I already said. Funny how you never say anything yourself, you just harangue and harangue and harangue. Just lazy or what?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I feel very sorry for you that you can't tell the difference.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't say the Bible was only about how God brought about creation, and there's certainly nothing in what you quoted to demonstrate anything more than what I said, that the other religions take God for granted. So you found some descriptions, you did not find them giving evidence for their belief though, did you?
I said the Bible is about God's doings in the world that were witnessed by many people to demonstrate who He really is. Many of the nations round about are said in scripture from time to time to recognize that He really is THE God, the Creator God and not just one of the familiar idol gods of the nations, because of the miracles He did for the Israelites. Rahab recognized it and protected the Israelite soldiers, the midwives of Egypt recognized it and protected the firstborn sons of the Israelites and so on. God showed Himself in the plagues on Egypt along with the Passover protection of those who believed, and many Egyptians came along with the Israelites because they believed He was the true God and not just another little idol god. He showed Himself in the pillar of fire by day and smoke by night as the Israelites traveled. He showed Himself in the parting of the Red Sea. He showed Himself in the miracle of the sun standing still for Joshua, the miracle of Gideon's fleece, the miracle of Samson's strength, the miracles Elijah and Elisha did and so on and so forth, and then of course most dramatically in the miracles performed by Jesus. All to give proof of who He really is, who Jesus really is. Proof, evidence. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you had already said that I assume you can provide a link to that post.
Now, yes, he was a Political and Military Huguenot leader. The Huguenots were not just some peacefull religious group, they were a political revolutionary military force. As is usual, what was called the French Religious Wars were mostly about power, wealth and control.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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