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Message 7 of 168 (714997)
12-31-2013 12:13 AM


Treatment of creationists?
Rather than complaining about the treatment of creationists, perhaps you, or some of the other creationists, could just bring evidence to the debate?
That's all that's needed.
Example: When different creationists place the date of the global flood variously from 4,350 years ago, to about 10,000 years ago, to the K-T boundary at 65.5 million years ago, to even the P-T boundary at 252 million years ago, what are we to think of their scientific rigor? If creationists can't agree on a date, and provide supporting evidence for that date, why should we take any of their arguments concerning the flood seriously?
Creationists must expect that any evidence they proffer will be subject to scrutiny and skepticism--that's the way science works.
Instead, what we generally see are unsupported claims being proffered, with little to no effort to support them with evidence. In a lot of cases those claims require that the laws of physics be ignored, but no evidence is provided to either support those claims or to explain all of the many "unintended consequences" that are a necessary result of the claims.
Example: The RATE study: the Institute of Creation Research (ICR) and the Creation Research Society initiated an eight-year research program to investigate the validity of radioisotope dating of rocks. In an effort to support a young earth, they suggested an accelerated decay rate, but failed to explore how such an increase in the decay rates might have occurred. And they failed to explain how, if decay rates were accelerated during the one year of the flood, the resulting heat--released over a one-year period instead of a couple of billion years--didn't cook the earth to a cinder. Along with the heat problem there would also have been a radiation problem. Noah and the rest of the inhabitants of the ark would have had to survive radiation perhaps a million times greater than it is today. How they do dat?
So, given all the outlandish things creationists want us to believe, without supporting evidence, they don't get half the kicking around here that they really deserve.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

  
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Message 27 of 168 (715065)
12-31-2013 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by RAZD
12-31-2013 10:42 PM


On the other hand...
So the percentage has dropped among people identifying themselves as republican ... you could have a lot of moderate ex-republicans that now identify as independent because of the tea party idiocy. Doesn't look like they controlled for change in percentage of respondents identifying as republican.
You could also have a lot of ex-Republicans who now identify as independent because of Country Club Republican idiocy.
There is increasingly smaller differences between them and the lefties. It is now just a (small) matter of degree.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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Message 132 of 168 (715479)
01-05-2014 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by marc9000
01-05-2014 7:26 PM


Re: Proposed Thread: Two types of science
Actual science and atheist science is more what I had in mi
Actual science being what doesn't disagree with your supernatural beliefs, while atheist science is that which shows your beliefs to be wrong?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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Message 155 of 168 (822190)
10-20-2017 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by granpa
10-20-2017 3:01 PM


If only there were someone who believed in an old Earth who was willing to discuss the Bible rationally and scientifically.
Problem we have is those bible believers so often refuse to accept evidence that shows their beliefs are wrong.
Biblical flood is a prime example. Scientific evidence shows conclusively that there was no such flood during historic times, but bible believers can't accept that. They come up with all sorts of excuses why evidence of the flood can't be found, including placing it 250 million years in the past. They can't then explain where all the humans were 250 million years ago, so round and round we go...

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.

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