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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I bet just a few more days and Obama was the one that created ebola in the first place. Nah, he's not white enough.
As Louis Farrakhan points out: White people genetically engineered Ebola to be able to specifically target the black race in particular.
quote: On a lighter note, here's my take on the Ebola scare:
But Percy does raise and interesting question in the OP, and I haven't begun to investigate it yet.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Of course. But you should wonder why they eat disease-ridden bushmeat. With things like AIDS and earlier outbreaks of Ebola, why are people still engaging in this risky behavior? Its called hunger. When it gets really bad, people get irrational. They are not to blame.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Maybe you're right. Maybe it's just the (un)luck of the draw for these poor African folk. Or perhaps cultural failings really do play a significant role in the acquisition and spread of these diseases along with the inability to stop them. This is pretty fucking disgusting, Jon. Have you ever been so hungry that you considered eating some dead animal off of the ground? Since you haven't, how can you blame someone's culture for being in such a predicament? Some cultures literally find themselves in a lifeless wasteland. People will do whatever they can to survive. There's no blame to be had for trying to save your life by finding anything to eat. What's next? Scurvy - failures of the sailing culture!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I understand. You don't want to talk about the real problem because it makes you feel uncomfortable. There's no reason to lie about me. What is disgusting is your nonchalant dismissal of staving people trying to keep themselves alive by eating whatever they can find as being a bunch of dumbasses eating meat that they know is tainted. You characterization is what is disgusting. And there is no realness to it.
Why are these people starving? They live in a region of the globe where you can't produce enough food to feed all the people that live there. They literally do not have enough food to eat. But fuck 'em, right? They're just stupid for eating whatever they can find rather than starving to death. Stupid africans... can't they get anything right? Amirite guys! Yeah!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Nope, that was exactly the correct amount of reaction.
But I suppose I can't expect you to stand by your vile attitude and face the reactions it deserves. Now run away and pretend like this didn't happen.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I see you've added to your two-word reply by edit, I'll just reply with another post rather than add to my other one.
Bushmeat handling/consumption is clearly a problem. How much of a problem is it?
It has led to epidemic diseases in the human population. And how many people has it kept from starving to death?
Do you oppose any and all regulation on the 'grounds' that there are people who depend on bushmeat for protein? What, in Africa? I don't oppose or support anything at all. I have exactly zero impact on African countries' legislation. And as it pertains to Ebola? I don't think bushmeat should even be on the radar. It certainly shouldn't be the focus of any legislation. What would the legislation actually do? And how could the legislation be enforced? If there's some starving guy in Africa that is about to die and he finds a dead animal, are you really going to be the one to tell him that he has to starve to death instead of eating that meat because that's what the law says? Do you think he's going to give even the slightest fuck what the law says? Or do you think a starving person would opt for the immediate saving of his own life at the expense of some rich american on the other side of the globe who has concerns about a virus?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Properly implemented and enforced bans can contain zoonotic diseases. You showed the effect of banning the importing of particular species of animals. That doesn't have anything to do with locals hunting native species.
If there's some starving guy in Africa that is about to die and he finds a dead animal, are you really going to be the one to tell him that he has to starve to death instead of eating that meat because that's what the law says? That's certainly a problem and will complicate enforcement. But regulating bushmeat is still possible. Regulation is always possible, but its pointless if it doesn't do anything. As one of your links says:
quote: Now that doesn't mean you shouldn't try, but as you've seen:
quote: Banning bushmeat isn't going to stop bushmeat, too many people depend on it for protein for survival. Too, the alternative to using bushmeat for many of these people is starving to death and I don't think we can reasonable expect them to take the offer, nor should we.
First, the practice of using animals (or their body parts) in rituals and cultural practices can be done away with. "Can be done away with...", that's so naively gullible its cute. Banning things doesn't do away with them. If anything, it pushes it into the shadows.
Second, better sanitation and preparation standards can minimize spreading diseases from infected animals (this includes regulations against selling animals found dead!). I'm afraid that countries who are too poor to even feed their people will have a much bigger problem with incurring the additional costs of regulating, implementing, and also enforcing a proper sanitation protocol. Again, this may seem like a valiant effort from your vantage point as a rich american who is concerned about a virus, but if you look at it from the perspective of a starving african who is desperately looking for protein, then I think you can realize that they aren't going to give the slightest fuck about your concerns.
Third, a straight-up ban on bushmeat in general might have little impact on people who eat the meat for survival, but (if enforced) would likely stop people eating bushmeat as a delicacy in its tracks. What, like how shark fin soup is no longer a thing? Or how we've totally eliminated Japanese whaling? I mean, those people aren't even starving and we can't stop them. What makes you think it would be "stopped in its tracks"?
Bushmeat consumption and the bushmeat trade are topics in their own right; but they are also intimately linked to outbreaks of certain diseases like Ebola. And so in a thread about Ebola, I think it is worth discussing these things: what effect they have on spreading the disease to humans; what measures can be taken to limit this spread; and how cultural practices might affect efforts to curb consumption of bushmeat or its unsafe handling. Well I think its a waste of time so I'll leave it to you.
It really is a big question: What will we do to stop future transmissions of Ebola (and similar diseases) to humans? Personally, I think the best approach is to just wait. The virus will mutate and go the likes of SARS, swine flu and bird flu. They're big deals when they're a hot button in the news, but after some time when the frenzy dies down and the disease changes then it just won't be that big of a deal anymore.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
With all this concern about Ebola I would tell you a joke about ebola, but you probably wouldn't get it (ba boom)
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Pretty sure the ban also applied to animals like prairie dogs. Not "animals like prairie dogs", but the prairie dog explicitly. That was the one non-African animal on the list (it didn't stand out as non-African during my first read). And they were only mentioned because they were the vector for transmission to Americans, not the source of the disease. And the "ban" is actually:
quote: If you had a prairie dog as a pet, you could keep it. That's hardly a ban on the animal, itself. But regardless, this is still nothing like local people hunting native species for protein to eat. Preventing Americans from trading prairie dogs is nothing like stopping Africans from eating bushmeat.
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