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Message 24 of 58 (744136)
12-08-2014 12:30 PM

Reply to: Message 20 by faceman
12-05-2014 8:10 PM

He was gay before he wasn't, so all this means is he's back to flying his original, rainbow colors.

That's not all it means.

It also means that some of these pray-the-gay-away homosexuality "cures" are just a bunch of lying bull shit.

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Message 27 of 58 (744237)
12-09-2014 9:55 AM

Reply to: Message 25 by faceman
12-08-2014 11:43 PM

He was a wolf in sheep's clothing. First he was straight, then he was gay, then he was straight again, founded his ministry, only to find out - oops, still gay.

Well that's ignorant and ad hoc.

More likely, he was always gay and just said that he was straight to hide it.

I don't doubt the power of prayer at all, when done by believers, but when a guy like that's leading the charge, then they're destined for failure.

What this shows is that guys like that are leading these charges. How many of the pray-the-gay-away camps do you think are run by homosexuals and therefore destined for failure?

Don't they look like a scam at face value?

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Message 47 of 58 (744469)
12-11-2014 11:53 AM

Reply to: Message 46 by ringo
12-11-2014 10:57 AM

Re: What Are YOU Looking At?

My point is about people saying that homosexual feelings are "okay" as long as you don't act on them. Jesus said that having them is the same as acting on them.

I don't read "looking on a person to lust after them" as being the same as "having a feeling".

I think Jesus was talking about objectifying the person as a sex object rather than the innate sexual desires that we cannot control.

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Message 49 of 58 (744476)
12-11-2014 12:41 PM

Reply to: Message 48 by ringo
12-11-2014 12:30 PM

Re: What Are YOU Looking At?

There may be a distinction there - but Jesus was clearly pointing out that no overt action is necessary.

Agreed.

That's diferent from the typical fundie line that homosexual actions are taboo but maybe homosexual feelings are okay because they "can't be helped".

What's the difference?

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Message 53 of 58 (744823)
12-16-2014 9:35 AM

Reply to: Message 51 by faceman
12-15-2014 9:31 PM

More likely, he was always gay and just said that he was straight to hide it.

Right, that's more or less what I said.

Well, except, in the way I phrased it his sexuality didn't flip-flop back and forth.

Not sure, but if a "pray-the-gay-away" camp is run by a homosexual, then it will Shirley fail.

Now you're contradicting yourself. Earlier you said that you don't doubt the power of prayer at all.

Now you're doubting it if it is done by one of them gays?

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