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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
But he seems to be quite good at ignoring starving children or people with terminal diseases and quite good at heaping rewards on Paris Hilton.
I wonder where his priorities are?The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We inherit sin. If enough people believe and pray things would change. Why Paris Hilton? Don't assume that rich people are going to get off in the end. But you'd know all this if you spent time finding out what God thinks.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Jon writes: This is a human problem... This is also something that I'm questioning.Is it? Is it a human problem, or is it an intelligence problem?That is, is this a problem only-for-humans, no matter what? Or is it a problem for any being that has sufficient intelligence? It is my contention that this is a problem for anyone of sufficient intelligence.It is my contention that God would have sufficient intelligence (if He is as described by any opinion I've ever heard of for God). Wouldn't that make it God's problem, too?
So, overall, it is probably better for any god to simply stay out of it and let our destinies play out as we make them play out. Says who?Are you sure the daughter in my example would think so? Are you sure anyone who calls themselves a "good person" would think it's better for God not to interfere in the example I provided? What evidence can you show to explain the seemingly unending confidence you have that "God staying out of things" would be "better?"
It's not about being corrupted. It is about taking away the free will of humanity. Right. And how is allowing the daughter in my example to be raped "better" than removing the free will of the humanity of the rapist?You seem to have so much confidence that free will is so much better. But you also seem to be avoiding answering my question directly. Refusing to say God shouldn't prevent the daughter's rape deserves more of a response than "it's probably for the best...."Yeah. I've heard many people say that sort of thing before... right before they choose to ignore a horrible act occurring right in front of their face. Such a phrase (in my experience) is the mark of a coward. Do you have a real reason to allow the rape? Or is it just "probably for the best..."?
Maybe. Maybe not. But it is for us to decide, not some supra-human dictatorno matter how benevolent he/she may be. Why's that?Do you really think the daughter in my example cares if a human prevents her rape or if a supra-human dictator prevents it - no matter how benevolent he/she may be? Is your pride in your principle really so important so as to allow an imaginary innocent girl to be raped?
I don't want your god deciding my fate. Fair enough.I won't even do an example involving yourself specifically. What about the daughter in my example, though? Does she get the same choice, or just you? How does "deciding her fate" work for her? Is living her life whatever way she wants until she dies of old age really best described as God "deciding her fate?"Is it better if she commits suicide at a young age to finally end the pain after the rapist "decided her fate?"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"The God who doesn't believe in equal rights for homosexuals." Do you have any idea what sin is, and what God has said about sin in the Bible? You are not talking about "equal rights," this is about special rights for a violation of God's law that can only make problems for people who respect and obey God's law. This is insanity almost by definition. You can invent your own God but the one you invent isn't going to hear your prayers or follow your wishes anyway.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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"The God who doesn't believe in equal rights for homosexuals." Do you have any idea what sin is, and what God has said about sin in the Bible? Yeah, He makes them gay and then smites them for being gay. What a jerk.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
So those no good starving kids had it coming because your god made sin inheritable?
Got it. God is great.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
"The God who doesn't believe in equal rights for homosexuals." Do you have any idea what sin is, and what God has said about sin in the Bible? Yeah, He makes them gay and then smites them for being gay. What a jerk. Now, let's be fair. He knew they would be gay long before he made them gay so it really is their fault. Those silly gays...The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Inheritability is a law built into the fabric of the universe. You people are fighting natural law. Tilting at windmills. We try to help the starving people in many ways you know, and Christians do the most of it, sending food and technical knowledge to improve their lives.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He also knew the other sins all of us would commit, but are you asking for "equal rights" for pedophiles? I'm sure they have no more power over their inclinations than homosexuals do, or fornicators or even serial murderers.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He does NOT "make them gay." ALL sin is the result of the Fall, the opposition of the created to the Creator.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Faith writes: Inheritability is a law built into the fabric of the universe. Are you sure about this? The universe doesn't seem to agree, mostly because it doesn't seem to care.Basic human decency, on the other hand, strongly disagrees.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Unfortunately your idea of "basic human decency" is nothing but sin in itself, as scripture says: "All our righteousness is as filthy rags." Our RIGHTEOUSNESS is sin too. God made the universe, we have to do it His way.
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He does NOT "make them gay." ALL sin is the result of the Fall, the opposition of the created to the Creator. God both foreknew and set-up The Fall to happen according to His Will, so yes, He ultimately is responsible for it... as He is responsible for everything. You need to brush up on your Calvinism.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
God made the universe, we have to do it His way. Except for banning slavery. No, he couldn't have done that
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Jon Inactive Member
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Your god is evil and I would fight him till one of our deaths.
Love your enemies!
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