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Author | Topic: God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Stile writes: jar writes: Stile writes: However, if you did all these things, then stood in the alley and watched while she was raped, I would say you did nothing.This is more akin to an all powerful God, don't you think? Well no, I do not think that. You are always entitled to your opinion. Would you care to explain it and give your reasoning?It's okay if you don't want to. I'm not here to force anyone to talk about anything they're uncomfortable with. Well I have given my reasoning repeatedly in this thread but I will certainly do so for you yet again if necessary. Evil is a human concept but whether or not something is evil depends on the unique definitions of a given era, society, culture. Even if you expand that to claim is is a property of intelligence it still depend on the unique definitions of the population in question. What is evil in one instance may not be evil in a different instance, society, era or culture Since whether something is evil or not evil depends on the mores of a given instance, society, era or culture. Members of that particular society, era or culture may consider a particular instance as evil but members of a different society, era or culture may not see the same instance as evil. A God, if there is a god, is not a member of any given society, era or culture and so the norms of any given society, era or culture do not apply. If you are a member of a culture that believes it is necessary for your daughter to get raped for there to be a successful harvest then watching your daughter getting raped is not evil but rather noble. You (Stile) may well consider the above example as evil but that is only through the lens of your personal definition of what is evil and not a characteristic of the act itself. Need I expand or explain anything more for you or is that sufficient?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
As I said, it isn't always possible to "stop" it without starting something else. Also, both "evil" and "immoral" are subjective, so the topic question itself has only subjective answers.
Is god evil or immoral for allowing such to happen if he has the power to stop it? AZPaul3 writes:
They used to say that the slaves didn't mind having their children taken away from them and sold. You make my case, with your "evil" uncaring attitude toward the grass.
And, yes, the grass won't mind at all.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
I did address it, in Message 105:
In fact, I'm talking about 1 very specific, restricted event. I'm wondering why it's seems so difficult for some people to agree with such a thing.quote: Your proviso that, "There are no hidden or unforeseen complications to this example," is pure contrivance. There are always unforeseen complications, whether you choose to turn a blind eye to them or not. You might as well be saying, "Assuming that I'm right, one plus one equals three." You're building in an "I win" clause.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
frako writes:
If nothing dies, you're introducing problems of over-population.
Why not just give everybody the ability of photosynthesis, no one has to eat anyone to survive problems solved.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
While so far I have not found any of the arguments supposed to show evil gods in this thread convincing, I can certainly imagine evil gods.
Some popular depictions of Satan might be considered as evil even if not Biblical, and the God marketed by Calvin certainly qualifies as evil under almost any culture, era or society. There are gods like Apep who embodied chaos and so might with considerable stretching of definitions be considered evil. The God of Calvin though is IMHO the clearest example of evil, a God with foreknowledge that creates critters that are doomed to eternal punishment. But here as so often is the case, we find people that do not think the God of Calvin is evil. I fear that shows that evil really is simply a human construct and totally unrelated to facts or reality.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
If nothing dies, you're introducing problems of over-population. Well just give everything an exact amount of time before they die like say every human dies at 100 years of age and becomes fertile at 50 able to produce 2 children with a random exception of 3 depending on how many die by accident. Also embed an epilepsy trigger whenever anyone wants to act on the idea of killing someone. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well just give everything an exact amount of time before they die like say every human dies at 100 years of age and becomes fertile at 50 able to produce 2 children with a random exception of 3 depending on how many die by accident. Also embed an epilepsy trigger whenever anyone wants to act on the idea of killing someone. Just a few more tweaks and you've got yourself the Garden of Eden...
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
As I said, it isn't always possible to "stop" it without starting something else. In that case the answer is he can't. Styles gets to cut the wholie spook some slack.
Also, both "evil" and "immoral" are subjective, so the topic question itself has only subjective answers. Addressed in my post.
They used to say that the slaves didn't mind having their children taken away from them and sold. I've never heard They say that. If he did then he's an idiot.
You make my case, with your "evil" uncaring attitude toward the grass. I had nothing to do with making the various types of grass so delicious. Talk to the groundskeeper.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Just a few more tweaks and you've got yourself the Garden of Eden... I just hope he remembers to hide that apple tree this time. And that the walking snake is no where in sight. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I just hope he remembers to hide that apple tree this time. And that the walking snake is no where in sight. That, or program his robots better Did you know that the Bible never actually says that its an apple? Its just fruit. I don't even know where the whole apple thing came from...
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Jon Inactive Member |
I don't even know where the whole apple thing came from... quote: Love your enemies!
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
frako writes:
What do you do with the dead bodies? With the present system, they're eaten by other life forms but that's supposedly "evil".
Well just give everything an exact amount of time before they die like say every human dies at 100 years of age....
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
That's what I said. There are some things that can't be done simultaneously even if you are omnipotent.
In that case the answer is he can't.
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
What do you do with the dead bodies? With the present system, they're eaten by other life forms but that's supposedly "evil". They spontaneously combust moments after death the ashes are used as fertilizer. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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They spontaneously combust moments after death the ashes are used as fertilizer. I think her breathing has stopped... Yup, grandma is dead. SHIT, RUN SHE'S ON FIRE!
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