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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Suzanne Romano writes: Just so ya know, we have a member named Faith. That is what I was referring to. She is a bit like you in that she is controversial and unorthodox. Over the years, I have watched her express herself much better, and she has withstood attacks and challenges by 95% of our members and still hangs around---as i hope that you will. Thing is, I'm not allowed to speak of faith here. Faith will not be tolerated. We have removed your signature due to the link it provides---dont take it personally.
Now, if you will please excuse me, I am going to review the GWW segment on the Michelson-Morley experiment. Then I am going to write another synopsis, using the GWW material and the independent research I have gathered over the course of ten years. Then I am going to post that synopsis on this forum, if they don't ban me first. Then the members will have at me. Then I will answer some of the more intelligent replies. I will participate in your thread only as a moderator. You can visit some of my other threads in which I am Phat and not AdminPhat. Keep doing what you are doing and remember the Forum Guidelines. God created war so that Americans would learn geography. —Mark Twain "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.6 |
I think that it's a confused reference to Mach's Principle
And to be fair, Mach's Principle is a confusing subject. But then again, that's a good reason to avoid using it in your arguments.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
According to Ernst Mach, though the huge mass of the Sun has a great force of gravity, the combined masses of the stars have a corresponding force of gravity, which influences other bodies in the universe. While this is true, it is a gross misstatement of Mach's principle to suggest that the gravitational forces of those bodies is responsible for the movement of the bodies in the solar system. Mach never said anything like that. Pure garbage. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Suzanne Romano Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 58 Joined: |
Folks, I don't want to leave without saying thanks for putting up with me.
I did come by to promote GWW; and I have determined that not one soul on this board is interested in it. Being a promoter, I have to move on now. Thanks again!
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Suzanne Romano writes: I did come by to promote GWW; and I have determined that not one soul on this board is interested in it. Unsurprisingly, we're interested in what the evidence indicates is likely true.
Being a promoter, I have to move on now. Gee, what a surprise, you're a promoter, exactly what the evidence indicated! I get email all the time (I'm the webmaster for this site) from honest promoters asking if they can promote this or that. You could have asked, you know. The answer would have been no, but at least you would have been honest. But dishonesty has served you well as now your promotions are plastered all over a couple threads here, and we are very hesitant about deleting threads. --Percy
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Suzanne Romano Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 58 Joined: |
Good grief!!!
Go back and read the OP!!!! I stated affirmatively that I was here to promote.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Suzanne Romano writes: Good grief!!! Now you're channeling Faith. You should really stick around so you two can meet.
I stated affirmatively that I was here to promote. Uh, no you didn't. In your proposal for a discussion thread you said you wanted to provide information, presumably as the starting point for a discussion, since that's the only reason people compose thread proposals. Did you perhaps not understand that this is a discussion board? Did you perhaps not read the last sentence of the registration agreement that reads:
"Advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, solicitations and spamming are not permitted at this discussion board." --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Folks, I don't want to leave without saying thanks for putting up with me. Go in peace, my child and sin no more. Seriously though---I had hopes that you would stick around. I suppose if we are all honest with ourselves, we all promote something or another. I promote Jesus---I believe with all my heart that He is alive and knows each of us better than we know ourselves. Some folks don't like me to preach but oh well.I did come by to promote GWW; and I have determined that not one soul on this board is interested in it. Being a promoter, I have to move on now. I do it for free. Do you get paid, Dear? If not whats in it for you? (Please tell me before you leave) Edited by Phat, : No reason given.God created war so that Americans would learn geography. —Mark Twain "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Oh, no you didn't. In your proposal for a discussion thread you said you wanted to provide information, presumably as the starting point for a discussion, since that's the only reason people compose thread proposals. She did provide an early message saying that she was here to promote and discuss. You may have missed it as she was responding to a question from Dr. Adequate. Unfortunately, she isn't in a position to defend GWW in a serious debate and she has found a tough audience. There are people around who can do a much better job of defending the concepts. As JonF suggested, these people do have answers to most questions with the exception of questions of the type 'how come you cannot do any science without falling back to conventional viewpoints?' Most of those answers involve some version of Mach's Principle which is a very vague idea for which even Mach never provided any math or formalization. Supposedly the principle was part of Einstein's inspiration in coming up with general relativity.
Unsurprisingly, we're interested in what the evidence indicates is likely true. We're interested in the silly stuff too! We just are not going to adopt much of it! Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Suzanne Romano Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 58 Joined: |
Percy:
quote: In truth, I've grown fond of you all. I'll be back with my Michelson-Morley synopsis AFTER I WRITE IT. Did you hear that?
AFTER I WRITE IT!
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Suzanne Romano Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 58 Joined:
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Phat:
quote: That's flicking hilarious!!!! Love it!!!!
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Suzanne Romano Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 58 Joined: |
I formally request that my beautiful spammy banner be given back to me.
It's my only friend here. Surely to goodness you people can give me some slack as I am all alone against a tribe of velociraptors!
PLEASE MAY I HAVE BACK MY SPAM? WHO IS IT GONNA HURT? Besides the colors were pretty - blue background and orange sun fire being complementary and all that . . . (BTW, I learned that from a book.)
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Suzanne Romano Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 58 Joined:
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Phat:
quote: My Dear Phat, I get paid since a few weeks ago. I did it for free for many years before that. I get a charge out of fighting for a noble cause. I also happen to ardently love Jesus Christ Pantocrator, Who made everything everyone here enjoys, not the least of which is the operations of their intellects and their rapidly moving tongues! And let's face it, going to the mat day in and day out for the Catholic Cosmology sure beats Keno night, n'est ce pas?
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Suzanne Romano Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 58 Joined: |
NoNukes:
quote: Yes, they are a tough crowd.
Wonder if they'd throw tomatoes if I sang for 'em.
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Suzanne Romano Member (Idle past 3211 days) Posts: 58 Joined: |
COPERNICANISM SWINGS
If a substance be able to randomly swing and drift, in form, act or operation, from one polarity or tendency to another, so that it be deemed not to have a fixed, determined, and immutable nature with categorical qualities and operations suitable to that nature, then we must presuppose an inherent instability in its composition, and hence a privated or divided cause. In the recent Scotus decision, there is an underlying and implied doubt about the immutability of human nature, as it came forth from the Mind of the Creator. Does man have an immutable nature, and are there such things as the Eternal Law and the Natural Law? Instability is potency for movement and change. The more potency inherent in a substance, the less perfectly it participates in the act of existence, and the lower it is on the hierarchy of being. Now there is no movement in God. His Being (Pure Act), and therefore His Truth, are immutable. Man, by virtue of his place in the hierarchy of being - made "a little less than the Angels" - is intended by God to be the most fixed and stable creature in the changeable material universe, because he participates, by superadded grace, in Essential Immutability. Why then are modern Catholics so movable? Where is the outcry against the Scotus decision from the Church's authorities, starting with the Pope? What is the efficient cause of such shameful moral instability? I say the efficient cause is scientist earth-moving confirmed in its antichristian revolutionism by ecclesiastical pretension. When they moved the Earth they unmoored and unhinged the basic intelligibility of reality. When they moved the Earth off its bases, they made the entire universe (Man being its microcosm) unstable. All manner of instability - physical, intellectual, moral, spiritual, and temporal - has insistently and implacably followed in its wake.
Consideration on a Culture of Instability: Thanks to heliocentrism, newtonianism, einsteinianism, and relativism, we live in a paradigm of instability. Examples abound: Each year we are all subjected to a misappropriation of seasonal rhythms, as to a revolving cycle of vicious disorder. The revolution unmoors the natural order by giving us Christmas in August; Halloween in July; Valentine's Day in December; summer clothing on sale in January; shelves bereft of mittens by November. The pathological and unhinged commercialism in which we are awash, is one form of the artificially injected instability that is the favorite soft-kill weapon of the revolutionary establishment. In both the natural and supernatural orders, we see a related destabilization strategy: The changing of the traditional calendars, as at the French Revolution and Vatican II. The Jacobin terrorists forced upon the people a calendar of surrealistic proportions, which tossed up the order of the months, and gave revolutionary signification to certain days, including the outrageous blasphemy of assigning December 25th to both the Lord Jesus Christ and Isaac Newton. (See Wiki article) Likewise the revolutionary changes imposed upon the Church's official public worship pursuant to the implementation of Vatican II, violate human nature unto the core of man's essence, by unhinging the Church's liturgical seasons, rhythms, cadences, and symbolism. Those glorious gifts of God, so beautifully aligned with the cycles of nature, supernaturalize and adorn the Creature to the extent that they could almost make the Earth seem like the end of our existence, did we not know better. The movement of great archetypal Feasts, like that of Christ the King, and the removal of many Saints from the cycle of Feasts, assaults the sensus Catolicus and the tranquility of the immaterial soul. Additionally there is the great crime of the breaking of the Psalter, which is a figure of Jesus Christ, of the Church, of the Mystical Body, and of the Creature. Since the Second Vatican Council, the Church has stopped Her lips, and no longer prays Psalm 82 and Psalm 108 in Her public worship. This is a ghastly rending of the Church's vestitu deaurato (gilded vestment) and a terrible inversion of reality; for "the mouth is stopped of them that speak wicked things." (Psalm 62) In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth; and over the glorious course of Six Days, He filled and adorned both. He placed the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament, for the regulation of days, nights, years, months, and seasons. The circuit of the sun makes both the diurnal cycle and the procession of the seasons. The profound stability and predictability of this unshakable natural order operates as a mighty regulatory principle in the affairs of men, even unto their interior state of happiness and tranquility. It silently and unobtrusively regulates everything - the activities of the individual person, family life, community life, the affairs of State, and the great cycles and seasons in the life of the Church. The happiness and tranquility of all levels of the social order depend in great part upon the order, harmony, predictability, and regularity of the cosmological processions. Thus if an enemy were to come with the intention of injecting disorder into the ecclesiastical, political, social, and moral fabric, he would do well to interfere with the regularity of Divine, natural, and human cycles. The first wave of invasion begins with copernicanism, which violently dislodges the Earth from its place in the cosmos. The intellectual effect on mankind is that Earth, in reality stable, immovable, unshakable, at rest, and centrally located, is now erroneously believed to hurtle through random space at truly obscene speeds. Man now believes in the operation of error. His intellect is deformed, and consequently, so too are his appetites, for the will is moved by the intellect. Disorder, irregularity, unpredictability, uncertainty, and ignorance follow in the wake of this first invasion. But that is not enough because nature always reasserts itself almost as violently as its aggressors tear away at it. Thus a natural conservatism keeps replenishing stability wherever and whenever it can. Yes the Earth is alleged to move, but the seasons still change, the day is still 24 hours, the sun still rises, and the moon maintains its phases. Holidays, festivities, and daily activities may thus continue on their course. But this is unacceptable to the revolution establishment, as this is a constant threat to their dominion and control, which is based upon mass intellectual confusion and delusion. They must constantly fight against implacable nature (common sense, and the law of God written on the heart) reasserting itself the way dandelions implacably return in a landscape. Hence we see ever increasing varieties of destabilizing strategies, aimed at keeping populations in a state of reactionism, confusion, depression, sadness, disequilibrium, and, ultimately, infantile dependency cum blind credibility. What does the revolution establishment seek to set in motion, if not the entire moral order in malicious contravention of the immutable Eternal and Natural Law? The 'war on thinking,' is now a long time. The divinely authored human nature is hurtling through externally imposed, artificially engineered evolutionary change at truly obscene speeds. The Church teaches that the emotions and passions reside in the matter of the body. They are extremely movable, even volatile. They are difficult to subdue, even when put under the influence of grace. If not kept under strict control, they will destabilize thinking, judging, and acting. Whereas the intellect is a noble, rarefied, stable spiritual faculty, made in the image and likeness of the Immutable God, and determined to the order of Reason. The war on thinking targets the all the faculties of human nature: The passions and emotions, through which the intellect receives all the data it will abstract, are stirred up by incessant and variable episodes of trauma; while the intellect is offered naught but prop-pabulum, marxist indoctrination, and low-grade pseudo-scientific garbage. This greatly destabilizes the individual, who, in turn, contributes to the destabilization of the whole paste - the social, political, intellectual, moral, and supernatural orders. What kind of environment do we live in, if not one that is dumbed down and hyper-sensitized, hyper-sentimentalized in the extreme? This is the ascendancy of matter, taking the form of the inversion of human nature, whereby the soul is made subject to the tyranny of the body. Copernicanism is an arch-system of destabilization of all natures: rational, animate, and inanimate. It unhinges both the Natural and the Supernatural orders. It deforms and denatures human acts, with a resultant breakup of order, harmony, tranquility, predictability, and hence happiness. We must fight all instability by the restoration of stability. And we do this, first, by traveling back to the place where it all broke down - the Cosmology. If we get that right, we get a fighting chance to rebuild Christendom. Viva Christo Rey! Journey to the Center of the Universe
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