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Author Topic:   Hate Crimes? Thought Crimes? Crimethink?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 21 of 131 (763285)
07-23-2015 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
07-22-2015 11:28 PM


I think that Dylann Roof is the worst example to bring up to talk about whether or not having hate crime laws is bad.
He killed a bunch of people and admitted that hate was behind it. Calling this a hate crime is of little to no consequence.
Its the minor shit that gets "hate crime" thrown on top of it that pisses me off.
I remember back when I was in college, there was a bar fight one night between two guys. It occasionally happens and its not that big of a deal.
But it turned out that the guy who lost the fight was gay, and then he made a big deal out of it and said the guy beat him up simply because he was gay. They wanted to charge the guy with a hate crime and throw the book at him.
There wasn't any evidence that it actually was a hate crime other than the loser of the fight being a huge bitch about it.
That, is a bit of a slippery slope in my opinion. But calling this Roof case a hate crime doesn't matter in the slightest.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 39 of 131 (763343)
07-23-2015 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Jon
07-23-2015 6:55 PM


Crime is whatever the law says crime is.
And until we can detect criminal thoughts, they cannot be crimes.
Next!

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 41 of 131 (763349)
07-23-2015 8:06 PM
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07-23-2015 7:53 PM


...it doesn't matter that we can't detect thoughts, they can still be crimes.
To have Orwellian Thought Police you have to be able to detect them.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 59 of 131 (765701)
08-04-2015 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Jon
07-24-2015 10:25 PM


Witchcraft was apparently a crime, yet we all know now there's no real way to detect witchcraft because witchcraft doesn't exist.
So the fact that thoughts can't be detected, contrary to what Cat Sci thinks, doesn't preclude thoughts from being classified as crimes.
Sorry, I thought you were talking about today not 300 years ago.

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