Noah's ark in Australia ?

Gidday.Among my hobbies is that of birdwatching.In my field guide the authors,relating their comments to recent DNA testing of birds world-wide by scientists Sibley and Ahlquist,state that it is considered that the corvids [ravens,crows and their relations] evolved in the Australasian region and then spread widely.I was struck by the relation of this to the release,after the flood,of a raven by Noah.This particular raven ,one of 2 in the ark,therefore MUST be the original ancestor of ALL world ravens and "their kind".And as they originated in Australia then the mountains of Ararat MUST be in the region of Australia.So somewhere near me should be the remains of the ark.I think I'll hop in the car and see if I can find it!

Noah released a dove, not a raven.Genesis 8:8"Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground."

Gen. 8, verse 6, "At the end of forty days (after the tops of the mountains became visible again) Noah opened the window of the ark that he had made (7) and sent out the ravin; it went to and fro until the waters had dried up from the earth. (8) Then he sent out the dove ..."Anyway, the raven came from pre-Deluge stock and carried DNA from god-knows-where on earth onto the ark.

But SINCE that raven was released , the DNA that it {and it's mate} carried has dispersed FROM Australasia,therefore the raven , AND the ark, must have been here in my backyard.And because ravens are not migratory ,at least not in Australia , it could not have flown all that way to get here.I reckon the ark's remains are close to my home .AND not far from me is a town named Ararat , so it is prabably near there!

Well, I stand corrected about the Raven in the Bible.At any rate, when you find the Ark, please let us here at EvC be the first to know!

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AND not far from me is a town named Ararat , so it is prabably near there!

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Yeah, and my mother grew up in Pennsylvania close to a town named Bethlehem, so Jesus must have been born there, huh?

Noah's Ark is in Turkey. For a Lab analysis of timbers, rivets and washers from the ark and other info check out Wyatt Archaeological Research

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DrKaos

Sorry guys about the bad link. Try Wyatt Archaeological Research

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DrKaos

What the hell is gopher wood? I mean, it says "Ron Wyatt discovered a boat made of gopher wood in Turkey", implying that he knew what gopher wood was, so that he could test it. But he doesn't say what it is.Anyway paleobotany falsifies the worldwide flood so he's clearly in error.

Oh, I dunno crash. I'm not sure that the lack of modern examples of gopher wood is that much of a problem for creationists. Think of it in ecological terms.[creationist hat on]
Assume that the tree species known as gopherwood existed and had all the properties attributed to it (ya know, like the tensile and sheer strength of vanadium/titanium/iridium alloy steel). Assume further that Noah & Sons, Shipbuilders Ltd. had the capability of working it. We can infer certain things about the species:1. It could not have been a widely distributed species. If it had been, the other extant civilizations for which we have contemporary records would have known about it, even if they couldn't make use of it because they didn't have the right tools, or gods, or whatever.2. Given the restricted habitat, and the several million board feet of lumber required to build an ark of the requisite size to contain either two or seven specimens of the 8000+ kinds (using Morris' lower limit) of critter Noah had been ordered to transport, it would be reasonable to assume that most of the existing stands of gopherwood were clear cut to build the ark. After all, Noah knew the world was coming to an end - what difference would a single tree species make?3. Given the risk of extinction in relictual populations subject to environmental stress - for which I imagine a year-long global flood would qualify - it is unsurprising that whatever few trees were left after ark construction didn't survive. Even if a few specimens had survived the Flud, it is likely that they represented less than the minimum viable population, and went extinct shortly afterward when the last individual died without issue.Therefore, we can state that the lack of modern understanding of gopherwood is a secondary effect of Noah's non-environmentally-friendly business practices coupled with large-scale ecosystem disruption leading to the species becoming extinct. Since Noah was the only survivor, and it's evidently his or his family's (possibly garbled) account that we are relying on for the info on the ark, we can accept his version as told in the Bible. He was, after all, the only eyewitness remaining. Prove me wrong.

Yeah, but Wyatt's web page is all like "we found a boat made of gopher wood, so it must be the Ark". How does he know what gopher wood is? If he only knows it's gopher wood because it's the Ark, then that's kind of circular, isn't it?

Here is part of an article written by Bernard Brandstater, someone who went on a dig with Ron Wyatt:"From medical school I remember hearing of a rare state of mind, with a long Latin name, that led its victims to concoct marvelously detailed accounts of events that were pure fabrications, yet which the story-teller himself had come to believe were absolutely true. I am inclined to believe that Wyatt was a florid example of this disorder. He was not a deliberate liar, a fraud. And some of his observations had merit. But I am convinced that some of his "discoveries" were matters which underwent transcription in his mind, and he came to believe as true certain ideas and observations that in fact were his own inventions.This opinion became confirmed in my mind some time after the Jerusalem expedition. Wyatt was trying to convince everyone of the validity of his site for Noah's Ark. And in trying to convince me, he described some extraordinary details of the rock-and-earth formation that he believed gives us an outline of the Ark. He told me of probing with a tool into the earthen mound, and breaking into a cavity in which he could see--actually see--the remains of corroded metal "brackets" that he presumed were part of the Ark's construction. This description caught my attention--all of it. If Wyatt's report was factual, then we should get serious about his site for the Ark. But was Wyatt a trustworthy observer and reporter? Months later I followed up on this story, referring to my long-time friend John Baumgardner, who had personally visited Wyatt's Ark site, and had subjected the whole area to minute scrutiny, including a survey with penetrating radar. When I described to John the eyewitness report of Wyatt, he simply laughed and dismissed the whole thing. He assured me, beyond any doubt, that the Ark site under study revealed no cavitation as described by Wyatt, and that the description given to me was entirely a fabrication."You may read the entire article at: http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt1.html[This message has been edited by Abshalom, 01-03-2004]

I was at the supermarket today and the reputable "Weekly World News" informs us that Noah's Ark was found in Iraq, hidden away in one of Saddam's palaces. When they opened it, they found an additional 5 Commandments. (Must be the ones Mel Brooks dropped in the documetary "History of the World, Part 1.")Who knew? Honestly I'd say WWN is as credible as Ron Wyatt so there's no reason to doubt them, right?

Crash:You said, "I was at the supermarket today and the reputable "Weekly World News" informs us that Noah's Ark was found in Iraq, hidden away in one of Saddam's palaces. When they opened it, they found an additional 5 Commandments."Did the article go on to say just how the "extra 5 commandments" got from the Ark of the Covenant thence into Noah's Ark? Maybe the reader is supposed to already know that the Ark of the Covenant is a time machine. Or maybe the five commandments found in Noah's Ark were from the 7 Noachide Covenants, which would mean there are still two missing.By the way, this isn't the same World Weekly News that reported pictures from the Mars lander showing a greenish grey, three-fingered hand holding a spray paint can just before the camera stopped transmitting?

I think this topic pretty much started off as some sort of a joke, and has been a mixture of something serious and something joke ever since.I suggest the serious part (ie "Gopher Wood") be taken elsewhere, perhaps a new topic.Closing this one down.Your ever reliable hit and miss moderator,
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