Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?

Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?IMO. All religions are manmade and all God’s are projections of man’s desires for supremacy and to be the Alpha male of the human race. Survival of the fittest and our desire to be the fittest human is what drives us and keeps mankind progressing and evolving.I offer the following to prove my case.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTepA-WV_oE&feature=em-su...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ1PDxeUynA
What Is the Father Complex? (with pictures)This last shows the Gnostic Christian understanding of seeking the ideal human and Jesus archetype that we call Jesus the good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QI3nlinYQThe choice people have is to believe that religions are ultimately products of a supernatural God who dictates policy to humans, who then pen them into holy books, and we have many Gods who are of this ilk, or to recognize that all these Gods are products of man’s imagination.Proof for manmade Gods is obvious. Men have created the documentation of what they think.Proof for a supernatural God has yet to be shown other than humans who say they wrote what was dictated by a God. Some do not see that as proof.I think the proof we have of God’s being manmade is that no real supernatural God has ever bothered to correct any of the contradicting information about him, her or it. No God has ever corrected us.Do you think Gods are manmade or do you believe in a supernatural God?Why do you think that way?Regards
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RaphaelI tried that quote function this morning and it did not work. Apologies.You used anthroposophy (a pseudo-science) to describe Steiner’s clip.Why would you reject it on that basis while using a belief in the supernatural to form your belief system? Is superstition and the supernatural somehow a better tool than anthroposophy even if it is what you call a pseudo-science?-------------You also asked for evidence that we seek to be the fittest. You do realize that this all happens in our minds and that we cannot track what the mind is doing except by psychiatry. Right?With that in mind, Jung and Freud’s Father Complex, without rolling in his other complexes, you will find the only proof I have. You also say that we are seeking a God instead of a human father in that complex. You have forgotten that in ancient days, emperors would declare themselves to be Gods and their sons, son’s of God, so the definition has been altered from a more human type God to the supernatural imaginary entity that you seek and believe in.-------------------the food to our hunger, is the real, actual, God, YHWH.You can eat that son murdering genocidal prick if you like. I will pass on your satanic fare.-----------On the Solomon video.The key here, friend, is EVIDENCE, where is the evidence?
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Why not just quote from scripture or another historical figure?You keep asking for evidence when your own belief is to be taken on faith. Why invoke this double standard?At least I provided a logic trail to follow instead of an invisible guy in the sky that you have to adore on pain of hell. You are the one running on fear while I run on logic and reason.You wanted to listen to a historical figure, historical to you that is, so listen to Jesus who promotes what I do and not what you do. That one link is part of a longer past thing. I hope you do not mind.I am a Gnostic Christian, yes, but our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.Nag Hammadi LibraryGnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose revenue and people.Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&l...The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=playe...This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8YWhen you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.------------we find that God is good, and humans are not.Yet at the same time say God creates us. Seems your God is an incompetent creator. You say that God is good yet ignore all the evil he does. Would a good God torture a baby for 6 days before finally killing it because of anger towards the father?That is what your God did and if you think that is good and just then you show how your morals have been corrupted by your beliefs.-----------------The greatest evidence being the resurrection of Jesus Christ.Your greatest evidence is a fantasy.----------------Why assume that if there were a God, he would correct information about Himself?I am not assuming this time. I am going by what Christianity says of God loving us.Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.You are the one assuming that there is evidence in the bible and your belief in that book and absentee genocidal son murdering prick of a God, strangely, a good God to you, is real. Jesus shows you what is real in the clip above. Go within and find the truth and shed your mind of all the lies you have swallowed along with your talking snakes and donkeys.Reach for spiritual growth and not the garbage you have spent so much time being fed by others. You are your guide to God. Not others. If you are a Protestant Christian then listen to your founder.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_qnsTr7I04Regards
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GDRJesus was a Jews and so where the disciples.Jews of that day rejected Jesus as the messiah primarily because their messiah was to live and rule. Not go away and never return.To Jews there was no resurrection concept and that is why they still await their messiah.This is a Jewish myth and you should read and listen to the Jews on what the myth they created.Constantine is the guy who forced the church to accept the resurrection because he wanted to tie being God to a man because as with other prior emperors, he wanted to be the next God/man.That is why he forced the council to vote his way on pain of death.Regards
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Faith"Something has to persuade people in the first place,"I agree with this. Here is a list of what persuaded people, on pain of death, to believe.You would need to change your definition of belief though unless you believe that one can force another to believe.Constantine’s laws against free thought and why Christianity became the Western religion.Here is some history. It's a list of Roman laws starting around Constantine’s time and extending forward from there.I'll bold and underline the killers for those with limited time.Quote:Fourth Century Christianity » Imperial Laws and Letters Involving Religion AD, 364-395313CE Oct 31Certain catholic clerics are being harassed by heretics so that compulsory public services are too much for them to bear. They should be relieved of their civic duties, and replacements found, and in the future, clerics should not be forced to fulfill compulsory public services.318CE June 23Constantine gives Christians the right to take their cases before an ecclesiastical court rather than a secular court. The ruling of those bishops will carry the same authority as a secular court.325CEConstantine exhorts the Alexandrians to follow the Nicene faith, which he praises, and to disavow Arius, whom he condemns. The council is to be regarded as the will of God.326CE Sept 1Exemption from compulsory public services shall only be granted to clergy of the Catholic Church, and not to heretics or schismatics.327CEConstantine invites Arius to his court, where he may end his exile by confessing the Nicene faith before Constantine. Arius is allowed to use public transportation.333 or 327CEConstantine orders that Arians now be referred to as Porphyrians, that all works of Arius or Arians be burned, and that anyone hiding a work of Arius suffer capital punishment.Constantine sends a long, belittling letter to Arius and his followers. At the end, he threatens to heavily fine the Arians and force them to accept compulsory public services unless they immediately return to the catholic faith. If Arius returns, he promises to be lenient.341CEPagan superstition and sacrifices are completely forbidden, in accord with the law set forth by Constantine.346CE Dec 1Pagan temples are to be closed; access to them is denied, and violators face capital punishment.
The property of a violator will be given to the state treasury. Governors who fail to carry out this
punishment will be punished.347CEThe Donatists were ordered to be reconciled with the Catholic Church in North Africa. Those who refused were to be exiled or killed.352 July 3Persons who join Judaism from Christianity, if the accusation can be proven, shall have their property confiscated and given to the state treasury.353 Nov 23Night-time pagan sacrifices, which had briefly been allowed under the usurper Magnentius, are again forbidden.356 Feb 20Those guilty of idolatry or pagan sacrifices must suffer capital punishment.362Julian castigates the pagan Alexandrians, who had murdered Athanasius’ rival archbishop George when he ruined the temple of the local god Serapis. They should not have broken the law, but should have taken out their grievances legally.No Christians are allowed to teach the pagan classics (essentially debarring them from being teachers).
Any student may study them, however.370CE Feb 17Laws formerly enacted against Christians under Julian shall have no validity, and policies of the late Constantius are to be upheld.372CE Mar 2Manichaeans and similar groups may not assemble. Their teachers will be punished, their followers segregated, and their places of gathering confiscated.377CE Oct 17Any who teaches a second baptism is to desist and be restored to the Catholic Church. The uncorrupted faith of the Evangelists and Apostles must be preserved. Furthermore, properties where re-baptizers or other expelled persons gather are to be confiscated.379 Aug 3All heresies are forbidden. One may hold to heretical teachings in his own mind but is forbidden to teach them to others, especially the teaching of re-baptism. Assemblies of those who hold to
re-baptism are forbidden, and none may teach this doctrine.380CE Feb 28This edict is sometimes referred to as Cunctos Populos. Everyone in the empire shall be part of the religion that believes in God as a single Deity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit — the Holy Trinity, as taught by St. Peter to the Romans, and now taught by Damasus of Rome and Peter of Alexandria. Only those following this rule shall be called Catholic Christians.Meeting places of those who follow another religion (including heretics of a Christian variety) shall not be given the status of churches, and such people may be subject to both divine and earthly retribution.381 Jan 10Heretics shall have no place of meeting. Heretics are defined as those who do not observe the Nicene faith.
The Phontinians, Arians, Eunomians and others are specified, but not exclusively. Their teachings are forbidden.
A definition of the Trinity and the term ousia is established. Catholic churches throughout the empire are to be returned to orthodox bishops. Heretics are to be driven out of the churches and the cities.
The property rights of Manichaeans are revoked, and property inherited from a Manichaean which should have been confiscated by the state is now to be confiscated. Manichaeans are forbidden to gather.381 MayChristians who have converted to paganism shall not be allowed to make a will, and any will made by such a person is invalidated.Manichaeans may not inherit property or leave it to others through wills, and any property inherited from a Manichaean is to be confiscated. The only exception is the child of a Manichaean who converts to the Catholic faith. Also, Manichaean assemblies and sacraments are prohibited.381 JulyIt is forbidden for Arians, Eunomians, or followers of Aetius to build churches.
If any such churches are built, they will be confiscated.391CEPersons with inherited rank or status who abandon Christianity shall lose their position and be branded with infamy.Heretics are to be driven from cities, villages, and communities. They are not able to hold public meetings or secret gatherings.so on and so forth... the jackboot is in.Regards
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GDRJesus ignored the Sabbath law when appropriate.What makes you think he would not ignored a travel ban if he thought it appropriate?Seems that you have forgotten Jesus' character.Regards
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Dr AdequateAll who seek a logical theology will become Gnostic Christians.All who want to believe in superstition and the supernatural and call those who do not believe in such nonsense heretics, will stay Christian.Regards
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FaithStrange as the Gospel of Thomas has more of Jesus' true sayings than all your Gospels.You do not like the idea that your religion only grew by killing other believers of other religious traditions.Your religion was created out of murder and the fact that it is based on a barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that the guilty should profit from the torture and murder of an innocent man proves beyond a doubt that it is quite an immoral creed.You can wash in Jesus' blood all you like but you will never be clean while remaining a Christian.Regards
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Blue Jay"I never understood a "father complex" to be a "yearning for a father," but more of an influence of one's relationship (or lack thereof) with their father on their relationships with other people."Our instincts are trying to make us the fittest of breed.To do so, it would have us learn from the past, our fathers, as they were fit enough to reproduce which is natures number one priority as far as our generic line is concerned. Our instincts would then have us look at all the males we know so as to help us be more fit than they are so that we might become the Alpha male.Regards
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ICANTScience says that before the big bang, all that is was compressed into about the size of a sugar cube, so your view of there being nothing is not what science is saying.But if I follow your view of there having to be something to produce what is, then that logic would also have to apply to your God who, from your logic, could not exist without having something before him.You ignore your own logic by saying God is supernatural. Which is an un-provable statement as we have no access to the supernatural."I call that supernatural power God, what do you call it?"I call it you inventing a God of the Gaps.I do not give science any more credibility for their view as they have yet to show why the big bang occurred so they too have Gods of the Gaps at the present time that they are calling string theory, branes and multi-verses.You have decides to believe in the supernatural while I have decided to remain in the natural primarily because your God is showing less moral values than what man, a natural creature has designed.Remember that your God began Christianity by basing it on a barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that the guilty should profit from your God having his own son needlessly murdered.No moral man would do such a thing and therefore our moral sense is superior to your Gods.You may keep your immoral God of the Gaps and in a sense, I will keep the scientific God of the Gaps which is natural as that God is superior in moral as compared to yours.This second link is where I found that God. If you think that Jesus makes sense, then you might view the other links.I am a Gnostic Christian, yes, but our beliefs are not what Christianity says they are. We lost the God wars and they distorted our belief system. The lies have been known since the findings of our scriptures and myths at Nag Hammadi.Nag Hammadi LibraryGnostic Christianity is a teaching system from Jesus but not the one the church ever dares to teach. It frees us from religion and that is of course not what religions want. They never want the student to graduate as they might lose revenue and people.Here is a bit of history as well as a nutshell version of how that freedom is gained.Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers after God. God here I define as the best laws and rules to live life with.We believe that those laws and rules, as Jesus said, are found in our minds/hearts. I use the following to try to illustrate this notion. A bit of history and then a mindset and method to do what I promote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&l...The thinking shown below is the Gnostic Christian’s goal as taught by Jesus but know that any belief can be internalized to activate your higher mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=playe...This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus, in the esoteric sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8YWhen you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find. Becoming a God is to become more fully human and a brethren to Jesus.Regards
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Raphael"How do you account for the growth of the Christian church in general had neither of these phenomenon occurred?"Please see post 58.Regards
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PaulK"There is not a lot of physical evidence for the Gospel's reliability. The number of manuscripts is only evidence for transmission, not that the original text was accurate."And even those earlier text were likely plagiarized from what I believe to be my founders, the Chrestians.https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=r...Regards
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StragglerThat would depend if your mind set can believe in the supernatural or not.VimeUhOhRegards
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Faith"It is not a narrative. It is a bogus made-up dialogue putting words in the mouths of Biblical personalities they would never say."Tell us why that is bogus and made-up dialog that you refuse to accept yet will accept dialog coming from a talking serpent and donkey?Why accept what animals say but not what humans say?Regards
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FaithSo all the churches are corrupted except for yours.You go ahead and believe that self-inflicted lie.You believe what the winners of the God wars is telling you while ignoring that the winners wrote the history they wanted you to work with. You believe those lies while ignoring Jesus and scriptures.Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.Regards
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ICANTGod is said to say that A & E became as God's in the knowing of good and evil.If God says that, who are you to deny the gospels?---------"God is not a moral man. God is a supernatural power that is a God of Justice."This indicates God's first work as a judge. Do you think a good judge sets and accepts bribes and sacrifices?1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.Do you vote for judges where you are and would you vote in a judge who accepts bribes and sacrifices and punishes the innocent instead of the guilty?-----------"Are you saying our men who are sent into battle to die by the powers that be makes your moral sense superior to the supernatural power that caused the universe to exist?"Are you serious?
Compare that morality to your God killing and torturing all the babies and innocent children that he is shown to kill in scriptures.----------"What do you call the supernatural power that was required to produce the universe?"Your imagination.Why would you choose a God that is such a prick to follow?Do you not have any pride or moral sense?Regards
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