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NoNukes Inactive Member
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The conflict is specifically between the Bible and the scientific claims You are describing your own personal conflicts with science. The conflict actually extends into the scientific use of empiricism in general and extends beyond what you claim regarding evolution. Perhaps you've forgotten that for people who believe in a 6000 year old universe, the conflicts extend beyond evolution to areas such as astronomy and cosmology, nuclear physics, archaeology and paleontology just to name a few. Beyond that there are other fundamental conflicts that crop up with many fundamentalists (maybe not including you) involving environmentalism and conservation in general and the Biblical view of dominion over the earth and the close proximity of the end times. Again, I don't want to attribute any particular philosophy about any of these things to you, but they are a part of the wider discussion about the conflict between science and religion. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I'm fairly sure that vaccine opposition does not correlate with religiosity. I'm sure that is correct. Anti vax opposition does not seem to correlate with other anti-science views. The Weird, Bipartisan Politics of The Anti-Vaccination Movement
quote: Generally speaking there does seem to be more of a correlation between conservative views and the rejection of science, and that most correlation between religion and rejection of science is because conservatives tend to be more religious. However there are a number of topics where fundamental belief tends does tend to be an enhancer. And those topics are not limited to evolution as Faith would suggest. But she may be closer to being correct than is the OP. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But there is no reason for this to be so That is true. The conflict between what people believe interferes with Christianity are largely irrational. But people still insist on those things.
Dominionism is a false theology. Agreed. That does not stop some Christain fundamentalists from insisting on it or from defending the doctrine based on references to the Bible. Perhaps you should stop using citing your own beliefs as what all Christians or even all fundamentalists or all evangelistic Christians believe. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
but if you have a false idea of who Jesus Christ is (the brother of Satan/Lucifer?) then you don't have that saving faith. I find myself having to defend Mormons here despite the little respect I have for some of the religious tenants. The Mormon belief regarding the status of Satan is not a belittlement of the the status in Jesus in any way. It is very common for people to distort things regarding this issue in the process of making their argument that Mormons are not Christians. But given the practice of exclusion of most branches of Christianity that such people practice, perhaps the truth requires a little closer scrutiny of what Mormons say about this point. http://mormonvoices.org/1/jesus-brother-of-satan
quote: From the above and from other text at the same link we can conclude that Mormons are not Trinitarians believers (which in the view of fundys is damning enough), but they do believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ and that salvation is receive is only through His atoning sacrifice and His grace. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Mormon doctrine has been known to shift from time to time, but Jesus is not "one of God's children" Not literally so, no. Yet we can find any number of instances of Jesus calling God his father, at least one rather famous reference to God calling Jesus his son, and other instances referring to us as brothers of Jesus in the same sense. And of course the Trinity refers to Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The words can sound very Biblical and evangelical and yet mean something entirely different to a Mormon. It would take some discussion to find out exactly what a particular Mormon believes about all these things. Exactly so. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I shouldn't have said "flesh and blood" because apparently they are "spirit" people No. You should not have used "flesh and blood". At any point, we're well away from the actual topic of th thread and I wouldn't bother refuting a youtube video if it were on topic. It is pretty easy to find official statements of what Mormons actually believe. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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As far as the article is concerned, the description leading to the authors conclusions seems pretty thin. Their survey explored the idea that Christians believed in the stereotype and performed poorly on tests when they thought that the test was related to a conflict between science and Christianity. Assuming that is true, then at the very least there is a conflict between science and some Christians.
The OP questions a conflict between creationism and Science. But given that the EvC definition of Creationism directly conflicts with the conclusions of science, I don't understand how this points to a stereotype. I am a Christian. I am not aware that any particular bit of science is an issue for me. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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