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Author Topic:   13th century rabbi says universe billions of years old
jar
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Message 3 of 60 (777504)
02-02-2016 7:40 PM


Interesting but as irrelevant and wrong headed as the Young Earth crowd. Trying to determine reality from mythos instead of the rocks is simply mental masturbation.

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Message 22 of 60 (777612)
02-04-2016 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by OrthodoxJew
02-04-2016 10:52 AM


OrthodoxJew writes:
Jar, PaulK: Evolutionists are fond of asking creationists - and rightly so - how multiple means of measuring the ages of rocks and fossils give the same answer. And you emphasize: don't tell me why the dates are wrong, tell me why the methods give the SAME answer.
I therefore say, in like manner, that you have ducked my point: How did a rabbi in the 13th century - 400 years before the telescope, when the Catholics were slaughtering cats to keep them from being used as familiar spirits by witches, who were surely responsible for the Bubonic Plague - analyze Bible commentaries that were already ancient in his time, and get the same answer as modern science?
First, even if the story were true, he did NOT get the same answer as modern science. He got a whole range of answers, most of which are not just wrong but absurd.

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Message 30 of 60 (777701)
02-06-2016 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by caffeine
02-06-2016 6:51 AM


It is also another great example of the forced scenarios just making God look stupid.
If Genesis 1 is "Creation in Thought" and the God character just thunk up the idea She really didn't have much excuse for needing a day off to rest and it's pretty silly to look at the thought and be really satisfied and find it good.
Also, the second tale found in Genesis 2&3 show that the "Creation in thought" must not have been as good as God thought since the order of creation is entirely different in almost every facet, not just the sequential creation of man and woman. It again shows a not very bright God who somehow forgot that She thunk about that help meet for Adam and instead had to try out all the other creations first before cloning Eve from Adam.

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Message 40 of 60 (777948)
02-12-2016 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by jaywill
02-12-2016 3:47 PM


Re: Torah disproved on Gen. 1:1 ?
They know for certain that the heavens are over 14 billion years old and that the earth is only 4.5 billion years old.

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Message 44 of 60 (777955)
02-12-2016 7:49 PM
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02-12-2016 6:48 PM


Re: Torah disproved on Gen. 1:1 ?
I take that as an admition that you really cannot point to something known today which makes Genesis 1:1 impossible to believe as true.
You can take that anyway you want, but as usual you would certainly be wrong.
Both the creation myths in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 are totally wrong, false, silly, proven to be nonsense.
You of course are simply resorting to the classic dishonesty found in so called "Biblical Christians" where you take something out of context and ignore all of the facts that show you are just posting nonsense.
Genesis 1:1 is part of a statement of what happened on the first day. An honest person would include all of the passage through Genesis 1:1-5. I'll quote it for you since it seems you are not familiar with the passage.
quote:
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light, and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light day, and the darkness he called night. And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day.
Now the honest poster would realize that there are several things that show the story is false, a fable. It mentioned one day. Now the fact that the sun and moon have not yet been created means that statement cannot be true and there is the additional small problem that even if that were possible, 14+billion years is not the same period as 4.5 billion years and neither is a day.
Sorry but to claim otherwise is at best to show ignorance and far more likely just more Christian dishonesty.

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