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I dunno Crash, when she went to
outta space and the alien turned out to be some cheesy human dude, and then she went home.- Pa-lease! - I paid for this!!!!

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Except that the "human dude" wasn't human, but was just appearing as such so she would be able to understand and interact with it.I found the most interesting part was the exploration and defense of skepticism and the scientific method as a legitimate means of understanding, and also interesting was the fact that "I don't know" was an acceptable answer.

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Though the 'faith guy' was a bit of a holywood concoction

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...and what a yummy concoction he was.

Yes it is indeed. However she herself in the end had to deal with a 'faith' issue - trying to convince others with a lack of evidence.
Heehee. Sorry, I forgot that people over 25 years old are not supposed to be or find others sexy. heeheehee.

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I empathize with her because 'words' are very hard to place right when your trying to convince someone with no evidence. Also they immediately judge her as somehow being irrational which is just annoying because that's what people do to me here sometimes.

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Well, the thing is, she actually did go somewhere but had no evidence. I also think it's interesting that she didn't really expect anyone to believe her.On the other hand, there was quite a bit of evidence in that they figured out the plans to make the "ship/transporter/communicator thingy". It's npt like she just woke up one day saying she had communicated with aliens rather than having been strapped into this thing that they built from plans they got from outer space.Read the book. The book is different than the movie in an important way which I will not talk about lest I ruin it for you.

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What do you give it out of ten then Schraff? I'll give it 7, despite it's cheesy input.

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I would agree with that score, yep. I love Jodie Foster's work.

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The reverend and his daughter were completely fictional. It seems odd to portray Christians as raging intolerant fundamentalists if the movie was intended as an unbiased presentation of the facts.

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But was the movie actually intended as an unbiased presentation of the facts?I highly doubt it.

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The problem with Inherit the Wind is that, while much is fictionalised and, as you said, biased, because it refers to a real event your average man in the street would probably take it at face value.

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Then you must think that the average man on the street is a total dumbass.I mean, do you think the average person can't figure out that the account of events in a war movie like "Midway" were dramatized and weren't intended to be perfectly accurate?Or, perhaps you think that only documentaries, rather than dramatizations, should be allowed to be made when real world events are used as part of the story in a movie.

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Regarding your last statement, I think people who completely follow the Bible would be opposed to racism, at least if they believed Colossians 9:9-11:

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...except that it's easy to excuse the beliefs and behavior of past Christians which today's society finds repulsive or immoral.The truth is, almost anything can be justified by using the Bible, and all manner of immoral and despicable acts have been perpetrated by people who ferverently believe that they are doing God's will.Rape, war, racism, slavery, genocide, misogyny, xenophobia, murder; all these things have been done in the name of Christianity by millions of Christians over the centuries, and they all continue to this day.

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I agree, people who have SAID they believe have done all manner of evil. But do I believe they truly believed in Christ Schraffy?

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The thing is, I am willing to bet that they truly believed in Christ.That's the whole point.It's easy to point to behavior that we now consider reprehensible and say that those people weren't "real" christians, but that is too easy.It's a way of justifying immoral acts which were performed in the name of your religion only after they become unfashionable in modern times.At the time they were performed, a great many people really and truly believed that they were doing the just and proper will of God.If fututre christians can simply wave away past atrocities simply by saying those people weren't "real Christians", then the definition of a "real christian" is pretty meaningless.

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How can I possibly believe they adhered to his words, about loving your enemy e.t.c.

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they just adhered to other words, such as those about smiting one's enemies.

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I as a believer, cannot and in no way think they actually believed.

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Then it seems to me that you are simply ignoring facts to avoid the discomfort of realizing that many scores of people who consider themselves to be "true Christians" also perform immoral acts.

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Nevertheless, I do think there are people who have USED a Christian position or USED a Muslim position, but they are not truly what they say they are.......if they become evil doers.

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True, some simply use the label, but others really do ferverently believe that the immoral acts they perform are God's will.If you ignore that, then you are not facing reality.

Berberry pretty much replied the way I would have. I'll add only this: [quote]Schrafinator: It's easy to point to behavior that we now consider reprehensible and say that those people weren't "real" christians, but that is too easy.[quote]

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Yes. I've heard this from the bias Atheist for years. I get blamed for everything, only he missed one point.

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Oh, don't cry "biased Athiest!" now.

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I did not take part in the crusades. Or any other murderous wars or racism e.t.c. Yet he's intent on blaming this all on me, - the Christians. But then he needs to pull his head out of his bum.

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I don't hold you responsible for the acts of past Christians.I am just refusing to allow you to post hoc reason your way out of squarely facing the realities of the immoral acts your predececessors.