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I dunno Crash, when she went to
outta space and the alien turned out to be some cheesy human dude, and then she went home.- Pa-lease! - I paid for this!!!!It dealt with science/faith - that was pleasing, rather than science/religion. Though the 'faith guy' was a bit of a holywood concoction. Apart from that I thought it was an unspecial movie. - For example; 2001 - A Space Odyssey certainly kicks it's butt right back to amateur.P.S> - Oh my dear daddy's an alien with sparkling white teeth, and a celestial glow - maudlin, you coined it Crash.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 12-23-2003]

Yuck, information overload . Yes it is indeed. However she herself in the end had to deal with a 'faith' issue - trying to convince others with a lack of evidence. I empathize with her because 'words' are very hard to place right when your trying to convince someone with no evidence. Also they immediately judge her as somehow being irrational which is just annoying because that's what people do to me here sometimes. What do you give it out of ten then Schraff? I'll give it 7, despite it's cheesy input.

Yes. The read usually ends up more interesting than the watch. Though I'm not sure I'm so turned on by the movie that I'd buy the book. Good point, it's not like it was an "I've been abducted by aliens" open/close case, lol. If I remember correctly there was 15 hours of recorded static when the sneaky suits retrieved the film of the incident, and they proceeded in keeping it quiet.My question is - How would you know for sure if it was an alien? Maybe the cheese was supposed to be God. That's a new one on me, Lol, 'be', nonsense, I find some 40 year olds sexy now surely that's against the forum rules.-----------------------------------------------------------
'Your lack of faith is disturbing' - Darth Vader[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 12-23-2003]

I agree, people who have SAID they believe have done all manner of evil. But do I believe they truly believed in Christ Schraffy?How can I possibly believe they adhered to his words, about loving your enemy e.t.c.I as a believer, cannot and in no way think they actually believed.Nevertheless, I do think there are people who have USED a Christian position or USED a Muslim position, but they are not truly what they say they are.......if they become evil doers.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 01-12-2004]

Maybe you're right and they did believe. I just cannot relate to their actions as being anything that I am - as in Christian. I am incredibly hard on myself. The fact is I am not going to make excuses for these extremists, whoever they were. But I am not going to say that they are similar to peaceful Christians . And do you associate such people with the same person who goes to church every week and panics if he/she misses giving to charity, or if he/she hasn't said a prayer for a whole morning?
People who kill, for example like 9/11 and say it's Gods will, are in my mind either mentally ill or extremely extremist, and I would not associate these people with say, the average Muslim. THAT is why it's offensive to call extremists the names normal people would call themselves, like "Christian" or "Hindu" or whatever....Christ did say that in the end he would say to some people who claim to know him: "I never knew you" -> Unless you can quote where in the NT it says do these things, in the name of Christ - then the people who do then are NOT Christian, even if they say so. Yes. I've heard this from the bias Atheist for years. I get blamed for everything, only he missed one point. I did not take part in the crusades. Or any other murderous wars or racism e.t.c. Yet he's intent on blaming this all on me, - the Christians. But then he needs to pull his head out of his bum.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 01-13-2004]

I thank Berberry for his/her response and I understand the position. I am ignorant of the US though, cos I've never lived there. I don't know what you could have to put up with. Well, I'm not. I know you are agnostic?
So I am not accusing you or anything, remember I said it's him who has his head up his bum. Okay, first of all there is a fight in the wiz box, logic has taken over: (could be another topic)What do we define as Christian? Would you accept:1. Someone who follows Christ and the teachings of his words.
(For the sake of the debate, Christ is definately against raping and killing e.t.c.)I do not logically think the definition of Christian will change if a person changes his/her actions.Now personally, I think then that logically if a person starts to rape and kill, the person changes but the definition of Christian does not. The person has now become a rapist/killer.So, if you attempt to say something like:2.Christians are rapists and killers because they have killed and raped.I would disagree because the definition of Christian hasn't changed but the person has changed into a: rapist/killer.You and Berberry are dealing with who you might call "christian" but do you apreciate that I am not by definition anything of a rapist/killer, and if you call me "Christian" I am only rule1. Therefore peoples present or past actions bare no relevance to MY Christian position?I know you would seem to want to put "christian" as also an evil doer Schraff But are you correct logically?

I agree, moron is a better definition of them, rather than Christian. [This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 01-14-2004]

Well I'll put it to you like this. If you can find where Jesus says rape and kill I'll change my outlook. But someone who claims to be Christian after they have raped and killed and says:" Yes.....I mean what's unchristian about killing and raping, I'll do my pennance, 4 hale satan's and then I'll be fine "Is obviously not Christian.
I mean to say they've fell from grace is an understatement, they have darn right black holed.
They must have been long sighted and were really reading the book of satan when thinking it was the NT.

Bzzzzzzzzt.wiz's wager.What is necessary to Christians is to follow Christ's example.I might have known the good OT would be mentioned soon enough. Or are you talking about events?Christ is our example, not events in the OT. Christians follow God's example of how to live (he himself lived in Christ ). Are you saying I should ignore Christs teachings " love your enemy " e.t.c. Because of events in the OT?
And what will be my excuse on judgement day? - When a perfectly sinless life was lead by God - BEING a person.Using the OT will not change anything. For 1. I don't even believe you are capable of understanding, that's not an insult, but are you reading it without wiz's wager?
A lot of people use "events" in the OT, but ignore the "teachings" directly aimed at ALL people by Christ, not solely jews.Sorry about that rant!