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Author Topic:   Debunking the Evolutionary God of 'Selection'
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Message 7 of 323 (806063)
04-22-2017 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Davidjay
04-22-2017 11:52 AM


Re: Let the readers decide
Davidjay writes:

The explanation you gave is that, selection is not random....


The lion doesn't select a random zebra; he selects a slow one. If a random mutation causes a zebra to run faster, it's automatically a "beneficial" mutation.
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Message 31 of 323 (806182)
04-23-2017 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Davidjay
04-23-2017 9:32 AM


Re: Mutations dont make zebras run faster
Davodjay writes:

Magic mutations wont make a zebra run faster...


Why not?

Explain in detail why genes can't determine the length of a zebra's legs. And then explain in detail why longer legs won't help a zebra run faster.


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Message 45 of 323 (806298)
04-24-2017 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 11:37 AM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:

Evolutionists by their very basic principle of luck and chance can not and will not defend their scientific (religious) belief system.


You're the one who isn't answering his posts. If you can defend your belief system, do it. All you've done so far is declare victory without even getting in the game.
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Message 48 of 323 (806308)
04-24-2017 12:06 PM
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04-24-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:

... I always try to answer questions to further the debate.


Then do it. In Message 31 I asked you to, "Explain in detail why genes can't determine the length of a zebra's legs. And then explain in detail why longer legs won't help a zebra run faster."
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Message 52 of 323 (806317)
04-24-2017 12:29 PM
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04-24-2017 12:17 PM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:

Inbreeding of dogs, can produce longer legs in a new breed of dog, but it still remains a dog.


That isn't the point. The topic is selection so we're talking about how leg length effects selection.

If lions ate dogs, wouldn't they be more likely to eat the dogs that can't run as fast? Aren't they also more likely to eat the zebras that can't run as fast?

So wouldn't the Great Danes be more likely to breed than the dachshunds?

That's selection. The slow dogs (or zebras) are selected out by the lazy lions. The ones that are not selected by the lions go on to make newer, faster dogs (or zebras).

Davidjay writes:

If a mutation happens or a misread happens, then it almost always dies.


And the lions eat it. In your own words, "ALMOST always".

The very few exceptions, one in a million, may produce a faster zebra or a Greater Dane. If not, explain why.


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Message 54 of 323 (806319)
04-24-2017 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Davidjay
04-24-2017 12:31 PM


Re: Evolutionists cant defend their god of Selection
Davidjay writes:

Sorry Ringo, youre on my NO REPLY LIST. Email your fellow evolutionists your questions, and I shall answer if asked in sincerity and if it helps READERS understand the debate.


If you don't answer, the READERS will assume you don't know the answer.
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Message 72 of 323 (806400)
04-25-2017 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Davidjay
04-25-2017 11:42 AM


Davidjay writes:

Variability as in mankind, is limited to the superficial, as with leg length etc etc etc etc etc... and more etc.


What sets the limit? What barrier is there to prevent variation from going any farther?
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Message 75 of 323 (806405)
04-25-2017 11:51 AM
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04-25-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Probability
Davidjay writes:

No matter how many times you shake your hands and throw the dice, when there is nothing on the dice, you never get a probability.


there's always something on the dice.
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Message 193 of 323 (808890)
05-14-2017 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Davidjay
05-14-2017 10:19 AM


Re: Re:Answer the question, Are babies different now than before
Davidjay writes:

As per usual, evolutionists run when asked a question, because they know they cant answer it ?


You have more than forty TOPICS waiting for YOUR answers.
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Message 217 of 323 (808989)
05-15-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by CRR
05-14-2017 8:09 PM


Re: Does the theory of evolution require a gain of information?
CRR writes:

Does the theory of evolution require a gain of copious quantities of genetic information?


No.

Don't get caught up in the idea of "gaining" information. What happens in evolution is a change in information. The word "cat" and the word "bat" have different meanings but they contain the same amount of information.

Selection just preserves the information that is best suited to survival.


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Message 272 of 323 (811386)
06-07-2017 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Vlad
06-07-2017 9:40 AM


Re: semantic twaddle
Vlad writes:

Being a dedicated evolutionist....


Apparently not.

Vlad writes:

In my eyes, the idea of NS is one of the most preposterous in the history of science – just like phlogiston and universal aether.


Neither of those is preposterous. They just turned out to be wrong.

Vlad writes:

Darwinian....


Red flag.
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Message 281 of 323 (811470)
06-08-2017 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Vlad
06-08-2017 9:14 AM


Re: Biston betularia
Vlad writes:

The thing is that the processes are quite reversible, and therefore they represent no evolution at all.


That's like saying that going from New York to LA and then back to New York isn't travelling at all.
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Message 302 of 323 (811825)
06-12-2017 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Vlad
06-12-2017 8:25 AM


Re: Long range
Vlad writes:

Thereto, the theorists believe – or pretend to do – that microevolution is in sooth evolution.


You seem to have evolved from a "dedicated evolutionist" to a full-blown denier pretty quickly.
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Message 318 of 323 (812831)
06-20-2017 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Vlad
06-20-2017 8:33 AM


Re: Selection
Vlad writes:

Still I am prepared to go on with as much amusing cases.


Are you prepared to respond to any of the criticism of your posts?
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