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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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So why not open the borders, encourage immigration and maintain a large enough workforce to cover any loss of people paying into the system.
Of course, that will also require that there is a job in the US that pays enough for the taxes to fund the system.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
So why not open the borders, encourage immigration and maintain a large enough workforce to cover any loss of people paying into the system. Of course, that will also require that there is a job in the US that pays enough for the taxes to fund the system. You'll get no argument form me. I am an immigrant to the USA. The whole anti-immigration stance by some on the far right is just a giant red herring. The USA has been built on immigration and some of the best and brightest of our citizens have roots from other countries. Although note that most of the anti-immigration stances seem to be relegated to those of Hispanic or Arab descent. Right-wingers don't seem to have too many problems with white immigrants from Europe. As you said, there does need to be a job here. How the labor market will look like in 30-40 years is anyone's guess. The bigger issue is how automation is going to change what types of jobs are available. That was the big lie told to those in the rust belt by the likes of Trump. That their jobs were taken over by immigrants or shipped over seas. While some of that has occurred, something like 80% of the jobs that disappeared were due to automation. By the way, for you sci fi buffs, the TV show The Expanse has this a plot point. In the future, Earth is over-populated (30 billion or so) and the majority of people don't work. They are on some form of government assistance. And the main culprit was automation.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Diomedes writes: Right-wingers don't seem to have too many problems with white immigrants from Europe. As long as they are not white spicks or kikes or wops or ... SOCIALISTs & COMMUNISTs & LIBERALs! It's time that we started taking the Gross Domestic Product to mean something all in the US should share.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
It's time that we started taking the Gross Domestic Product to mean something all in the US should share.
What do you mean? Sounds like another bill to me....Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Diomedes writes: As a Gen Xer, I've been told that when I am at the age of retirement, I will likely be getting 75-80% of what my expected benefits were supposed to be. This stems from the fact that social security is paid to the previous generation by the current generation. Being that population demographics will shift towards being older as the boomers retire, that will mean insufficient income from taxes to compensate for the larger number of retired people. Being of the same generation, I get what you are saying. I am also saving money for retirement. It is also worth noting that they can increase taxes at any point so that people can get more benefits. It's not as if the current rates are a physical law that can't be broken. One of the first things they could do is get rid of the rule where only the first 100k or so of your income is taxed for Social Security. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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jar writes: So why not open the borders, encourage immigration and maintain a large enough workforce to cover any loss of people paying into the system.Of course, that will also require that there is a job in the US that pays enough for the taxes to fund the system. As with many things, moderation is key. You don't want to flood the job market with new people. This will only depress wages and put stresses on unemployment benefits. You need to match immigration with the growth rate of the economy. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you know what the GDP is?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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And with the real employment situation.
What is really need is something not seen in the US since the late 50s and early 60s and that is Long Term Planning. Without planning that goes beyond the 5 O'clock News or the next election cycle I see absolutely no reason to think anything will get done at all.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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It is also worth noting that they can increase taxes at any point so that people can get more benefits. It's not as if the current rates are a physical law that can't be broken. One of the first things they could do is get rid of the rule where only the first 100k or so of your income is taxed for Social Security. True. However, the Republicans are pretty intransigent in that regard. Anytime raising taxes is on the table, the idea is thoroughly rebuffed. And we have a population that doesn't seem to understand the concept of positive cash flow. They are continuously parroting 'trickle down economics' and other nonsense that has been touted for years. They want all their benefits but they don't want a raise in taxes. It is a disconnect of logic and unfortunately, my guess is it will be too little too late for an adequate fix to occur. To be fair, while we are sounding somewhat 'doom and gloom', as others have alluded to, other countries are in far more dire straights than the USA. Germany and Japan have much larger shifts in age demographics over the next few decades. And that is nothing to say of China. They have been on the one child policy for decades and have only undone that recently. But that sort of mandate pretty much guarantees that they will have a huge burden of an aged and aging population relative to the younger population. Not to mention they are not exactly a sought after location for migration.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Diomedes writes: To be fair, while we are sounding somewhat 'doom and gloom', as others have alluded to, other countries are in far more dire straights than the USA. Germany and Japan have much larger shifts in age demographics over the next few decades. And that is nothing to say of China. They have been on the one child policy for decades and have only undone that recently. But that sort of mandate pretty much guarantees that they will have a huge burden of an aged and aging population relative to the younger population. Not to mention they are not exactly a sought after location for migration. In many Asian cultures it is customary for parents to move in with their kids and grandkids as they get on in years, so at least they have that going for them. Western cultures may have to follow suit.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Gross Domestic Product.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Those are the words. What do they mean?
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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That is too early according to most analysts. They peg 2003--the year the gulf war started---as the final nail in the coffin.
I would put it at 1980 -- the year that Ronald Reagan was elected.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
the total value of goods produced and services provided in a country during one year. So why do you want us to all share it? To me, it sounds as if we are also responsible for it...which seems like a bill somehow.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: the total value of goods produced and services provided in a country during one year. What does the word value mean?
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