The problem as I see it is : in order for god to create existance god must first exist, therefore any god must create itself. If we argue an 'intelligent' design, the designer must work with axioms of design, which, if we apply the same logic would in themselves need a designer.
Hume asked, 'Is it valid to say that because there is a perception of an order there is necessarily an orderer?' Possibly, this is the fundemental question of the intelligent design argument.
[This message has been edited by loot, 02-04-2004]
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