Human Intelligence

If that's the only thing you got out of my post, then I guess I was right about your state of mind. (not to mention your limited vocabulary. The use of vulgarity is generally the first sign of a limited vocabulary, among other things like lack of respect for others. The first time could be waved off as a slip, the second time is quite revealing).

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The crazy part, though, is that if YOU are right, I will lose nothing but the debate itself. But if I'm right, YOU will lose everything.

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And if the Muslims are right, you're doubly screwed.And don't even start me on if the Vikings had the right idea about Odin. Have fun with Hela, big guy.Pascal's wager is a fun game to play.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

Joralex, is that you?????

I noticed you didn't start a new thread on this. I'm wondering if admin would be so kind as to move these posts as previously recommended.Yo wrote: As already pointed out, Hitler used Darwinian evolution to support his agenda. Again, the words "savages", "lowest savages", "Negroe" and "Negroes", and "favored races" were main bullet points for Hitlers argument for genocide.Hitler wrote: Now, I ask you once again, please offer me some ideas as to where Hitler got THIS idea?You've been living in a dream world, Neo. Did you notice the following information as shown in "the Hitler movement, page 107?" This is all documented information readily available. Again, where in flames did Hitler get the idea that "Black African" is "predominantly ape"??? (Hint: See Darwin's "Origin of Species" for references to "savages", "lowest savages", "Negroe" and "Negroes".)It must take an incredible amount of willpower to flaty deny what Hitler sold the public, and where he got support for his ideas. Hitler didn't believe in God, he only used references to God as a sales tactic to sell his agenda to German Christians, but dropped God once he was in power. How could you miss this?Again, I would welcome admin to move these related post to a new thread so we can more carefully examine the dynamics of Hitler's message. A good topic name would be "The dynamics behind Hitler's racism and genocide".

Um,... What??? Is that like Spandex? If nothing else, at least tell me if being a Joralex is a compliment or an insult. Maybe the root origins or the word/name? I can't find it in the dictionary and have never heard it before. Or if it's an inside joke, I'll just drop it.

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As already pointed out, Hitler used Darwinian evolution to support his agenda.

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As has also been pointed out, math was used every day in the concentration camps. It was applied to evil purposes.Math is evil!

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Hitler didn't believe in God, he only used references to God as a sales tactic to sell his agenda to German Christians, but dropped God once he was in power. How could you miss this?

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Out of curiosity, what was inscribed on military belt buckles under Hitler?

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

Skeptick,You have been asked before, by myself and others, to substantiate your claims per Forum Rules.I'm getting tired of repeating myself.

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AdminAsgara
Queen of the Universe

Maybe you could substantiate this claim with data. I've read Hawking, Greene, and a few other books on cosmological models, and you're the first person to mention it. I can only conclude that you're making this up out of whole cloth. You know, unless we're both wrong, and the Zoroastrians are right - we're both bound for Zoroastrian hell. That's the problem with Pascal's Wager - if you're really going to hedge your bets, you need to follow all religions.

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Hitler didn't believe in God, he only used references to God as a sales tactic to sell his agenda to German Christians, but dropped God once he was in power. How could you miss this?

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And he only referenced Darwin to try and give his ideas legitimacy during the 1930's. It was just as great a sin to use scientific theory to further a political agenda as it was to use the idea of a pure CHRISTIAN Fatherland in the name of Christianity. Don't forget that Hitler also wanted to create a Christian nation. Should I ignore christianity for this reason?

So, are you saying Darwin was right in his assessment of "savages" and "negroes"?
And how would you handle Hitler's further expounding that "negroes" were a less favored race and could rightly be eliminated ("natural selection") to preserve the greatness of of the "stronger" (??) and more favored races?[This message has been edited by Skeptick, 02-11-2004]

By pointing out that natural selection - "survival of the fittest" - isn't a call to action, it's an observed trend. Fitness isn't based on any criteria but reproductive success.If the population data is any clue, the "negroes", who are having more children than the "Aryans", are the fitter race.Hitler's eugenics are based not on the science of evolution, but on his lust for power and the observation that people will support somebody who helps them blame their problems on the easy victims.Call me crazy but when something is misused, I don't tend to blame the results on anything but those doing the misusing. Folks get kneecapped with baseball bats all the time, but we don't blame the World Series as a result.

So Darwin was wrong about "negroes" and "savages"?

Yes. Much as it's difficult to view Shakespeare as anything but anti-Semitic, it's difficult to view Darwin as anything but racist. Unfortunately that was the universal view of his time.However the Origin of Species is not used as a biological textbook, so I fail to see the relevance.

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So, are you saying Darwin was right in his assessment of "savages" and "negroes"?
And how would you handle Hitler's further expounding that "negroes" were a less favored race and could rightly be eliminated ("natural selection") to preserve the greatness of of the "stronger" (??) and more favored races?

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I disagree that any eugenics program is supported by Darwinian theory in the same way that I disagree that christian ideology supports a eugenics program. They were both misused by Hitler to gain power. I don't discount ToE because of Hitler's misuse of the theory, and I don't discount christianity for Hitler's misuse to create a christian nation. You seem to be saying misusing Darwinian theory negates its explanatory power but christianity is immune to this effect.

Not sure what you mean exactly by "discount".Let me slightly change the form of my question:Was Darwin was right in his assessment of "savages", "lowest savages" and "negroes"?Frashfrog already answered, but I can't tell if you think the same thing as he or not in this. I just don't want to answer twice if I can answer both of you at once.