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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
When Justice Kagan was appointed solicitor general in 2009, Senator Cornyn (R-Tex.) asked her about same-sex marriage. She said, "There is no federal constitutional right to same-sex marriage."
With her vote in Obergefell v. Hodges she did a 180, affirming that there is a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. Can she be impeached for lying to Congress?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I have no particular desire to support any of the three justices you allude to. The recent decisions, especially the egregious firearms case, have done a great deal of damage. But threats to impeach justices for their opinions or - even worse - threats to simply enlarge the Court with ideologically correct appointees, which some otherwise respectable commentators have made recently, have a whiff of banana republic about them.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
quoteWell then, thank you for not replying!
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I just assumed most people were following the news. Since you apparently weren't, here are some examples.
Ed Markey Supreme Court ‘illegitimate’, ‘out of control’, Elizabeth Warren and Ed Markey say in Boston Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar AOC says 'expand the court' just moments after ACB was confirmed Mondaire Jones and Ed Markey Is It Time To Expand The Supreme Court? Jerrold Nadler EXPAND THE SUPREME COURT: REPS. JONES, NADLER, JOHNSON, AND SENATOR MARKEY INTRODUCE LEGISLATION TO RESTORE JUSTICE AND DEMOCRACY TO JUDICIAL SYSTEM Elie Mystal There Is Only One Way Out of This Crisis: Expand the Court
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I'm quite enjoying this conversation we're not having. Please continue . . .
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Do you really think she changed her mind? Or simply told a convenient lie? Or maybe there was a third alternative, that she used enough cleverly chosen verbiage so that what she said wasn't a lie, but could be interpreted by her listeners in disparate ways?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Oh, I'm quite sure she revised and extended her remarks!
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
quote That's an interesting interpretation! So it was like the legend of Galileo muttering "eppur si muove" . . . and Elena Kagan was quietly adding " . . . there is no federal constitutional right not right now, but there will be if I ever get on the Supreme Court"
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Hard? Actually it was quite trivial. Because that information has been in the news for everyone to see for quite some time. But as Orwell said, "To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle."
Keep up the struggle!
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Oh yes, the impulses to do that sort of thing lurk on both sides of the aisle.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Once again, Orwell could explain that.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Oh, no, if President Biden could appoint, say, four new justices, which he can, given Democrat control of Congress, that would bring things back into balance, and we could go back to Roe (though, really, instead of a complex, messy, Roe decision, we really should have one that says a woman can make decisions about her medical care without interference from the state. Period), not to mention fixing the firearms decision and so forth.
But is that really the way to do it? I mean, it's so much simpler (since Democrats have control of Congress) to just pass a law codifying Roe (the Dobbs decision doesn't say Congress can't!)
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
If I made a comment about mass shootings in America without providing links to articles about mass shootings and someone answered my comment by wondering "what mass shootings?" and demanding references, how would you feel about that person?
And if I then gave them references and their answer was something condescending like, "Was that so hard? That is how we do things in this forum," how would you feel about that person? It calls to mind another line from a book by Orwell: "Ignorance is Strength"
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
A "reversal" would scarcely be necessary. In Dobbs the Supreme Court didn't "ban" abortion, it merely returned us to the (very bad days) of pre-Roe abortion law.
All Congress has to do now is pass a law guaranteeing a right to an abortion. Such a law wouldn't be struck down by the Supreme Court (otherwise it would have already struck down laws in states like Oregon or Vermont). Democrats have used their pro-abortion stands mostly as fund-raising opportunities. Now it's time for them to actually find out if they stand for what they say they stand for.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 625 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
No, no, of course not! And the next time I make mention of something that's common knowledge and you don't understand it, rest assured, I'll hunt up references and explain it to you. I'll even use short words, if necessary.
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