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Andya Primanda
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Message 31 of 61 (93604)
03-20-2004 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Buzsaw
03-20-2004 8:19 PM


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How many times in the link of this post is the word "fight" quoted from the Quran itself, not to mention the Sunnas and the Hadiths, Holmes? There is not one single reference to the word "fight" in the New Testament" as to applying to commanding or encouraging Christians to engage in fighting anyone. So I repeat, where am I lying??
And you, sir, how many times must I remind you that the Qur'an said Muslims are only allowed to fight against those who oppress and attack them? And that violence without a reason is condemned by the Qur'an?
By your way of thinking, I could pick and count the word 'devil' or 'satan' in your Bible and say that because your scriptures talk so much about the devil you must be a devil-worshipping sect. I will state that what I am doing is picking words out of context. If you say I am wrong, then you are also guilty of the same mistake. You only pick the word 'fight' without even bothering to read the words around it.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 37 of 61 (93617)
03-20-2004 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Buzsaw
03-20-2004 11:06 PM


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Andya:
1. Many of the texts refering to fighting are not in the defensive vein.
2. The Quran makes it plain that Islam is suppose to dominate the world and this implication is clear in many statement in the Quran
1. Prove it to me. Quote chapter and verse and which translation.
2. Same as no.1.
Btw, this is off-topic. May I suggest you and I take this to another forum, Faith & Belief maybe?

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Andya Primanda
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Message 49 of 61 (93791)
03-22-2004 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Buzsaw
03-21-2004 10:42 PM


You missed my reply there?
quote:
There's quite a lot in the link I gave about fighting and not all in the defensive vein from both the Quran, and the Haddiths. Did you read them?
I think we should continue this at that thread. In case you're waiting, I already replied there re:your jihad article link, and here's what I got to say if you missed it the first time around:
http://EvC Forum: Fundamental Biblical Christianity and Fundamental Islam Fundamentally 180% Opposites -->EvC Forum: Fundamental Biblical Christianity and Fundamental Islam Fundamentally 180% Opposites
ANDYA SEZ:
I've just finished reading it. While I do not always agree with the author, I can agree with his point that Jihad, in terms of striving (violence included) is encouraged, against aggressors. Not on offensive. Anyone who promotes aggressive non-defensive jihad violates the Qur'an verse that stated that violence is only permitted against those who attack Muslims. And terrorist attacks to noncombatants, because they kill without reason, is in violation of the Qur'an verse that stated that killing is only lawful if for a cause, like criminal punishment or aggression against Muslims.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 57 of 61 (94025)
03-23-2004 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
03-22-2004 9:50 AM


Re: You missed my reply there?

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