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1.61803
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Message 17 of 49 (92618)
03-15-2004 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Yaro
03-10-2004 1:40 PM


Intellegent design and is there a designer or is our existance a mere coincidence that happened out of random chance? I have to say Yaro that I believe the latter not to make sense to me. For my own comfort I like to believe there is a plan and order to the existance of organized matter that has formed conciousness to ponder such questions. My name sake is a interesting number in that it appears throughout natural phenomenon. The ratio suggest there is some order and organization that is over the randomness and caos of subatomic quauntum foam. Reality exist literally from nothing. Dive in deep enough into the fabric of what makes up reality and what is it? Atoms? And what are they? Subatomic particles? And that? quarks, nutrinos, thigamagigs? All manifesting forces in nature that make up our universe as well as the ability to try and comprehend it. But try as I may to chalk it up to luck of the draw that the elements in our periodic table just so happen to posses the needed arrangement of electrons to support my physical body I cant do it. Life has evolved from the alphabet soup and random as it is may have been the laws of the phyical universe are keeping it all in order. It is this thing called "laws of the physical universe that I define as My God. And he is a great cook. I await my thrashing from resident atheist

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1.61803
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Message 19 of 49 (92626)
03-15-2004 5:33 PM
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03-15-2004 5:24 PM


Yeah Yaro,, I think if God wore a T shirt it would say:
"Its all Good" I am leaning in the Eastern direction as well.

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1.61803
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Message 24 of 49 (92649)
03-15-2004 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by TechnoCore
03-15-2004 6:40 PM


Pick your god
You call it by what ever name suits. If Triangles had a god it would have three sides. I am human and therefore I assign my human perception to the world. I am not saying I know the answers to whether there was a creator no one can say for certain. But if you ask yourself what is reality? When all the thinking and meditating and searching is finished the bottom line is that reality is your perception. Yes I do believe there is an objective reality but it does not matter because what ever this thing I am sitting on is I am human and percieve it to be what I have learned and formed memories of and have had experiance with and have learned to call it a chair. I am human and when I see the beauty of a childs smile or the utter joy of feeling the sun warm my face as it rises I can not help but feel comforted in the thought that this is not just a random event that I am here existing just because some matter happened to come together just right.It is my perception of God and hence my reality. God made real by me. You may feel comforted in feeling your existance is just a passing form of matter with no reason or plan, that all you are is a collection of protiens and water and minerals. but for me and millions of others we take comfort in feeling Gods presence in our existance and in feeling there is something more to us than flesh. And although I am not so naive not to know this may just be an illusion It makes me happy and isnt that what its all about? Just my opinion and nothing more.

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1.61803
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Message 27 of 49 (92814)
03-16-2004 5:07 PM
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03-16-2004 12:41 AM


Re: Pick your universe
Well I have not stated that my perception of reality is anything other than "my" own. And as I have stated in my post it is merely my own opinion. I also stated that I do believe in a Objective reality as well. My whole point was that my perception of the world I live in includes God in the picture. Although I can not say for certain God exist I like to think he does, and that puts a smile on my face. I will check out your link and get back to you , thanks Abby.

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1.61803
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Message 28 of 49 (92842)
03-16-2004 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by TechnoCore
03-16-2004 5:03 PM


Re: Pick your god
Burning babies? I dont know about you but personally I have never seen or heard a burning baby. I have never heard a hammer hit a knee cap, and I have never seen a episode of the Sapranos. Although I know tragedy and horrible things happen daily and although I know it is arbitrary.
It does not change my positive outlook on life in general. I am in the medical field and see regret, and pain and unspeakable things that the lay person does not even think about. Your point is well taken there is bad things in the world, but there are good things too and if one wishes to concentrate on the good and maintain some optimism and be greatful for they're blessings then why is that cause for anyone to question? When I said you may feel comforted in feeling your existance is a passing form of matter with no reason or plan I did not mean that to be offensive in anyway and apologize if it came across that way. Your comfortable with the non god view and I am comfortable with thinking there may be one. That is what is so great about this forum people like you and I can exchange our thoughts. I gave you my opinion you gave me yours. And thats how the world goes round.

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1.61803
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Message 38 of 49 (93849)
03-22-2004 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Saviourmachine
03-20-2004 5:53 AM


Re: DNA is intrinsically special
Hi, Human perception and the ability to reason and become sentient is indeed a mystery. Order out of Caos and Caos into order seems to permeate the universe. Conciousness what exactly is it? Is a stone Concious? No? or is it's conciousness invisible to me. Like the Ents in LOTR. mooooovvvvveee slllooowwlly. Maybe everything in the universe is concious we just are not aware of it. To lable DNA special is redundant if one believes that existance it'self is "special". What is special? I am facinated by these thoughts of how energy and matter begat self awarness and conciousness. Regardless of how it happened, it did happen. Question is......is it happening else where as well? Your thoughts?

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