Internet Porn

Hi Phatboy,
" I would argue that it is a form of worship"
I have to agree with you on that one, I have worshipped some real beauties.

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Now if God did not want me to oogle then he should of gave me my own titties to oogle.

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Actually, isn't it kind of an childish thing to be obsessed with the "Mommy parts"?Oogling women's hips or backsides seems to make a lot more sense to me.

You mean, something like "Good God what a pair of bazoongas!"? Hell, I think we've all said that, but I hadn't realized it was a prayer.

Oh, we oggle those too, trust me. We're equal opportunity ogglers.

I blew soda outta my nose after reading your last 2 posts.

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Oogling women's hips or backsides seems to make a lot more sense to me.

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I can't remember the doc I watched... I think it was on the science channel... but they discussed the nature of male oggling and female development. I guess the going theory is that breasts are generally formed in a way to mimic the same visual stimulation men get from women's asses (or is it vise versa?).Breast cleavage and ass "cleavage" are two clefts bounded by luscious globular objects... all set to drive a man (and some women) to drooling.But to be honest, what in sexuality is anything greater than childlike behavior in either men or women?

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Sorry I haven't had much time to participate in these threads I started a few days ago. I've been very busy lately and am likely to be so for the next couple weeks. Things will soon change and I'll be able to post more regularly.The idea that porn is harmful to children may not be as clear cut as I thought it was, but I still think that if a way could be found to effectively regulate underage access to it I'd probably support it.holmes mentions the pop-up/spam problem and I agree. An elderly lady I know who often calls on me for help with her computer somehow (probably one of her grandkids is at fault, but I don't know firsthand) started getting pop-ups for a porn site that specialized in images of incestuous rape. It took me a long time to get rid of those ads but I finally managed to. Although my logic here might be a bit twisted, I would say that the experience left me so absolutely enraged at whoever wrote the software responsible for these pop-ups that, if I knew who it was and thought I could get away with it, I might have killed them.There is one thing that strikes me about this whole argument: If this sort of thing is harmless and doesn't engender any unhealthy attitudes toward women, then why is it that a movie like The Passion Of The Christ should be faulted for anti-semitic content? Surely this picture couldn't engender any unhealthy attitudes toward Jews, could it?

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I notice you are in the UK, what is the current state of porn in there? I heard at one time that hardcore porn was completely illegal.

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Somewhat bizarre, to tell the truth.Videos and magazines are treated quite differently, with the
two main applicable acts being the Video Recordings Act and
the Obscene Publications Act.As recently as the four or five years ago, customs would seize
ANY adult material entering the country, and only highly edited
porn was available even in Adult Stores (no penetration,semen,
erections ... kind of removing the point).Things relaxed a couple years ago when the British Board of
Film Classification (BBFC -- incidently the 'C' used to
stand for Censorship) relaxed it's guidelines for an R18
certificate so that it allowed some of the above mentioned
activities, but R18 can only be sold from within a licensed
sex shop, and cannot be sent through the Royal Mail, because it
is illegal to send obscene material and the post office has
a different view on obscenity to the BBFC and customs!!Some things still cannot be shown in videos/dvd/films
and that includes anything where violence and sex are
connected, or anything illegal (which in the UK includes
anal sex between a man and woman or between more than
two men).There are two bizarre aspects to this though:
1) There is no law that states that a common or garden
news agent cannot sell hardcore magazines.
2) One can import hardcore video/dvd's for personal use
(provided that there is no law was broken in the production
of the material).Customs have also bee known to seize items in transit across
the UK (e.g. from France to Eire via the UK).Things are loosening up -- most liekly as a response to
increased internet access in the UK, so porn cannot be effectively
banned any more (although I'm almost positive that if our
government could find soemthing workable they would).Another kink in attitudes is that sexual content on the commercial
channels is frowned upon, but if it's in a BBC production
it's considered automatic art and thus OK.

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I can't remember the doc I watched... I think it was on the science channel... but they discussed the nature of male oggling and female development. I guess the going theory is that breasts are generally formed in a way to mimic the same visual stimulation men get from women's asses (or is it vise versa?).

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Breast cleavage and ass "cleavage" are two clefts bounded by luscious globular objects... all set to drive a man (and some women) to drooling.

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Oh, yes, you are correct. I learned all about this in my Human Sexuality course in college all those years ago.

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But to be honest, what in sexuality is anything greater than childlike behavior in either men or women?

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Well, one thing that springs to mind is delayed gratification. That's fairly important to good sex most of the time and this skill is definitely NOT something common to children.Anoter is the concept of sharing and of thinking of others before oneself, both of which are related to delayed gratification. Those are concepts the little self-centered rugrats have to be taught, and so are not childish.

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Well, one thing that springs to mind is delayed gratification. That's fairly important to good sex most of the time and this skill is definitely NOT something common to children.

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Point taken... sort of. Delayed gratification is a way to heighten sexual pleasure. I am not sure if I can call it fairly important to good sex. That depends on how much delay and which gratifications one is delaying.I also do not want to say that understanding delayed gratification is uncommon to children. It is uncommon in those without experience, but experience does not make one's pursuits any less childlike.Sorry if this seems like semantics, but I think it is important to distinguish between childlike, childish, and simple lack of experience.Some children learn very quickly that delayed gratification can heighten enjoyment (lets say of candy) and so create rituals to delay being able to eat it. That does not make them any less childish about focusing on themselves, or childlike in enjoying the material gratification of candy.Certainly in sex this will be more common than candy when we are talking about children, but this is because in our culture kids experience with sex is strangled from the very beginning.

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Anoter is the concept of sharing and of thinking of others before oneself...Those are concepts the little self-centered rugrats have to be taught, and so are not childish.

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Also point taken... though again I would want to distinguish between childlike, childish, and simple lack of experience. I also believe kids don't have to be taught sharing, though that speeds up the process. Kids are able to learn this on their own through interaction with others (and not explicit instruction).A guy might love eating pussy, or a girl sucking cock. Does that make them more sharing or mature because they enjoy getting the other person off? Attention to one's partner may be just as childlike in its subject, and childish in its pursuit, even if experience guides how they are expressed.On a funny note... I knew one guy that said publicly sex was just mutual masturbation, and the girls loved him even after they heard that. I also knew another guy that refused to eat girls out, yet girls were pretty much lined up to give him head any time he wanted despite the fact they knew they'd get nothing in return.Peoples is funny.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Porn is regulated to some extent in publications. You can't buy magazines everywhere and not just anybody can buy them (legally).The Internet is another matter as you pointed out. As an international conglomeration of computer networks, it should be next to impossible to regulate, short of having a world-encompassing government that could regulate and enforce regulations.But the Internet is really just a global electronic version of conversation, which is the exchange of ideas and information by various means (the most common of which, for most people, is vocal). Internet porn can be regulated in the same way that we regulate our vocal conversations. Only say what you want to say and listen to what you wish to hear. If you are a parent and do not wish certain subjects to be heard or discussed among your children, then you must place barriers in the way of that happening. Most would agree, however, that parents can't completely shelter their children from "negative" influences, but must teach them morality as a check against exposure to such things. There are technologies available to help parents, and others, to bar certain types of Internet content from viewing. Kids though, as ever, will find ways around their parents' taboos if they are curious about the world and want to find out what they are missing.Bottom line: we have to regulate Internet content ourselves to suit our tastes and moral viewpoints. We can't and, as far as I'm concerned, shouldn't, ban content.

LOL! So there's another sticky substance on your keyboard now?

Isn't it kind of naive to think of your breasts
as 'mommy parts' ? Added on a slightly more serious note:I'm sure I read somewhere that some people think that
the reason for a focus on breasts in regards sexual attractiveness
is related to the ability of the lady in question to
nourish her young.Might be mis-remembering that ....[This message has been edited by Peter, 03-02-2004]

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Porn is regulated to some extent in publications. You can't buy magazines everywhere and not just anybody can buy them (legally).

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Maybe in the US (and some places), but even in the UK there
is no law that directly prohibits youngsters from purchasing
pronographic materials, nor of ANY shop from selling magazines
(unless they are deemed 'obscene' under the definition of the
'Obscene Publications Act'). And there are plenty of European
countries where the attitude to pornography is MUCH more
relaxed.I agree that it should be left to us, as responsible adults,
to determine what we see and what our children see -- and should
not be regulated by some other body with their own mis-guided
agendas.

First hand I want to apologize, because honestly I didn't read all of the threads. I read like the first 8 and knew I had to respond.I think I have a pretty good handel on this topic because I am currently in an AP Psychology course at my high school. This information I am going to tell you can be found in any college psych text book.If you show pornography to kids, exspecially under the age of six, this will 100% effect their development. If you just started seeing pronography during the adolescence, there probably won't be an effect.Let me explain. Some guy (this is bad, i have the AP test soon) did a study on violence and kids. So I will grant that this is a little different, but the same concept. He showed videos of adults, doing some sort of task, and then when they got angry, they would do a certain action. On one video, he would punch this body ballon, the other video the guy would strangle it, and the other wouldn't really do anything, might do another activity.The point is, these kids repeated the behavior of that video when they were in that same situation. This shows that BEHAVIOR IS LEARNED.There are countless developmental theories that suggest that infants learn morals, rules of society, and gender roles from adults, and the parents exspecially. When these kids see these adults doing this, and it is accepted, exspecially when the participants are young, it seems okay and acceptable to them. This is really dangerous when the child wants to become independent and become a grown up so to speak. It would be really bad if it is a messed up film, like bondage and wierd crap like that.The reason why it wouldn't be so bad to teenagers is because they have already determines their values. However there is still frontal cortex growth, meaning behavior can still be learned. Could some people be more prone to learning behavior then others? Yes. This is a form of intelligence, and intelligence is genetic. The whole nature nurture debate which I am sure you guys have discussed in the past.All those tests that have been done probably weren't done by psychologists. It is people that want to believe it has no effect, for whatever reasons. Maybe so they can access pornography easier. To me thats sad. Should people get in trouble for watching porn? I don't know, that is a whole nother issue that I don't want to get into. But at a young age, they should get deeply punished. I am serious, it will effect their behavior.You will never be able to regulate anything that has already been established, and that goes for anything and everything. People will always find ways. It is just how the world goes.