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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: So, you are saying that you have no problem connecting these dots (including variable decay rates), but you have a reeeeeal problem with a paucity of transitionals below the family level?
quote: No, there are always some unexplained areas. Now, do you really think that you have explained variable radiolological decay rates? How about c-decay? Exactly what is your point here? Do we need to have every detail of the earth's history worked out before you will think about accepting it?
quote: Could you please document this? I seriously doubt that Lyell felt that everything was worked out in the geological time scale ("in detail," as you seem to require).
quote: True. The world is a lot more complex than the controlled environment that you create in your lab. But what is your point here? Do you think that because it is a difficult problem that we should attribute it all to supernatural processes?
quote: Why is this necessary? And what does it have to do with challenging evolution? Seems to me that if there were this many sea level rises, the bible should explain it? Not? How many floods do you want? You seem to put a lot of credence in quantitative analysis. Can you show us some of this quantitative work that has been done by flood geologists? Elsewhere you have repeatedly ask if we have heard of cyclothems. I fail to see the relevance to this discussion. Perhaps if you explained rather than asking cryptic questions, you might get a response. Would you please tell us how cyclothems are explained by the flood? [This message has been edited by edge, 05-16-2002]
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: The type of unconformity you refer to is called a 'disconformity' and it represents an interruption of deposition. The interruption may be long or short. It may define a facies change or not. In this case, it appears that it represents a period of transgression. I'm not sure what you are getting at on this issue. This is fairly common in the geological record.
quote: Yes.
quote: Funny how these rapid reversals seem to have stopped when we began to be able to measure magnetic fields.
quote: Good, then you have some independent evidence for the flood!
quote: However, we can compare it to other pieces of data with which it disagrees; the fossil record being one.
quote: Good. What caused the decay to increase? And why did it suddenly decide to occur during the flood? What is your independent evidence for rapid magnetic reversals?
quote: Yes, it is internally consistent. But how about being verifiable with independent evidence? How about it being externally consistent with other forms of evidence such as radiometric dating and physical properties of the mantle?
quote: No it isn't a problem. Baumgardner needs to have extremely high heat flows in order to make his model work. However, he neglects the nagging side effect of complete sterlization of the earth by those heat flows.
quote: You make a nice assertion. Please go over the details of this calculation for us. I usually find that these theories collapse when confronted with details.
quote: Not clear what you mean here. '...will not go away in the atmosphere... ?'
quote: Seems to me this has been done, but it's been a long time since I've heard this one. But nevertheless, get us some more details and we can discuss it. Maybe on a different thread.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Hmm, it seems you have simply omitted the study of the tedious basics of introductory courses and gone right to the professional stuff. Frankly, it shows in your arguments. For instance, somewhere above, you seemed to equate mud with soil. Do you really think this was the right approach?
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
[B]Edge, in my first point I simply wanted to point out that the idea of accelerated decay and associated radiogenic heating is a priori a sensible idea (for us). [/QUOTE] Good. Then you have evidence I presume. I'd love to hear about it.
quote: I also know that some models never get beyond this stage. There are reasons for that.
quote: But Darwind did have some evidence. What is your evidence that radiodecay rates accelerated. What is your evidence for c-decay? We have to be allowed the opportunit to critically analyze this information.
quote: Good. Then you can quote them.
quote: Then why do you criticize evolution for not having the ultimate, detailed information, preferrably quantifiable? Seems that you could be a little more charitable toward the ToE.
quote: Actually, all we have asked for is evidence.
quote: It hasn't helped yet. We don't even know which rocks represent the flood.
quote: The first problem is that there are so many of them. Is this the multiple flood model? Is it described in the bible? The second problem is that mainstream science is way ahead of you. Catastrophism is not denied at all. It's just that there were many catastrophes sometime with long time periods in between. Otherwise, how did those trees grow so many times in the same place?
quote: No, not one event. Many thousands. But yes there were catastrophes. It's all part of uniformitarianism.
quote: Yeah. It would also sterilize the earth. I know, I know... these are just details!
quote: I'll get some calcualtions to you later. The problem is bigger than you think.
quote: Well, it isn't perfect, but it is the best thing going. [This message has been edited by edge, 05-16-2002]
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: True enough. You get credit for that. However, a look at the creationist literature leaves one groping for a handle. Henceforth, I will assume that you mean Cambrian through Tertiary. Details will be investigated later, but I suggest that you begin to think about the types of deposits that you find in the middle of your flood and the presence of dinosaur nests, tracks, etc.
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