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Author Topic:   What is morality? Convention or divine?
Rob 
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Message 1 of 6 (319389)
06-08-2006 11:29 PM


Does naturalism have any moral framework to offer?
Does moral relativism mean that to be truly free, we must be free from our cultural-religious bias? Must we be free from our 'conscience' so we can think outside of the box. Lets think about that carefully. I don't have a problem with questioning the reality we've been sold so to speak, but this has serious implications.
Skepticism is healthy but does this not border on insanity? Does our conscious originate with man, or is it transcendant and divine in origin?
Imagine the unlimited possibilities, unlimited by 'conscience', which is nothing more than that lingering sense that 'this isn't right'. Let's free ourselves from that bias. Just let it go and, "Imagine there's no heaven". Think of all the possibilities of human endeavor that we could experience the restrictions of conscious. That nagging little voice that bogs us down. No more conflict between your heart and head. No more bias. "No more hang-ups man!”
No more of those restrictions that have kept humanity from doing such great things as indiscriminately raping, torturing, and slowly murdering each other in manners that have yet to be explored and enjoyed, piece, by, piece. Just imagine the possibilities. They're limitless! Most have only flirted in their youth, with the real freedom that waits for all over the hill of true open-mindedness. (By the way, ask me to show you a person with an open mind, and I'll show you a person in a maximum security penitentiary enjoying solitary confinement! Hi Charlie manson...) Imagine the glory! That unseen potential we've never allowed ourselves to experience. What could be calling us? What have we been restricted from learning because of that dog-gone little voice?
"Have another hit man, and be free from that prison".
I know what's calling us, and these questions make it pretty clear in my mind. Pure adulterated Evil! Why this step by step approach, how about just taking this all to a point in its logical extension. How about participating in an open-minded concoction of Ecstasy and LSD while engaged in a necro-beastial orgy, on a judges bench, during court proceedings that will argue the irrelevance of the U.S. constitution, on the basis that it is discriminatory because of it's foundations in the teachings of Christ, and it's condemnation of the desires of the 'free spirit'. "Whoa man, now that’s freedom!"
Is that what freedom is? I contend that it is those ideas leads to more imprisonment by the consequences of lawless action. I further contend that real freedom has been lost long ago, and it is the real freedom from this 'sin manifested reality' we now live in. That freedom is 'real' and secured by obeying the divine and natural laws of our creator, be it physical or moral.
I would love any thoughts...
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
Edited by Rob, : keeping it real...

Any biters in the stream?

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Message 2 of 6 (319400)
06-09-2006 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rob
06-08-2006 11:29 PM


Proposal needs some work
Before we consider whether to promote your topic, I have a question about it.
I'm sure many of you are aware that in our universities, some proud postmodern philosophers are teaching our youth that to be truly free, we must be 'free from our cultural-religious bias.' We must be free from our 'conscience' so we can think outside of any box.
Do you actually know this for a fact? Or is this something that you have heard second-hand (or third hand), something that might be considered "hearsay evidence" in a legal proceeding?
Many professors put their syllabus on the web. Maybe you can find an example of this sort of teaching, and find the web syllabus. Perhaps a discussion of the syllabus could become part of this topic.
I'm raising these questions, because there are a lot of exaggerated statements made about what is taught at our universities. If we want to discuss it, then it would be good to start with actual facts rather than exaggerations.


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Rob 
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Message 3 of 6 (319405)
06-09-2006 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNWR
06-09-2006 12:28 AM


Re: Proposal needs some work
Fair enough... I'll go do some homework...

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Rob 
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Message 4 of 6 (319494)
06-09-2006 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNWR
06-09-2006 12:28 AM


Re: Proposal needs some work
Well... I think you have done a good job here of moderating. I know I had a story around from S.F. I can't find it anywhere. If I kept looking I could dig it up, but then I thought...
Even if I could, I think it would still be an exageration if I am honest with myself. If one guy, at one time in his life sugested what I proposed is commonplace, it doesn't make it commonplace.
shall I edit the original when I am ready or resubmit the same question in new form?
ps. You have made me realize how reckless I still am... thank you!
Rob

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06-09-2006 10:38 AM
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06-09-2006 10:22 AM


Re: Proposal needs some work
shall I edit the original when I am ready or resubmit the same question in new form?
Either edit the original, or post a new message in this same thread. Administrators can use your new message to initiate a new topic.

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Message 6 of 6 (320165)
06-10-2006 7:35 PM


Closing thread
This thread appears to have been superseded by Is morality absolute or relative?.


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