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ramoss
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Message 1 of 6 (611190)
04-06-2011 3:18 PM


From http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110406/ts_afp/scienceusphysics
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Data from a major US atom smasher lab may have revealed a new elementary particle, or potentially a new force of nature, one of the physicists involved in the discovery told AFP on Wednesday.
The physics world was abuzz with excitement over the findings, which could offer clues to the persistent riddle of mass and how objects obtain it -- one of the most sought-after answers in all of physics.
But experts cautioned that more analysis was needed to uncover the true nature of the discovery, which comes as part of an ongoing experiment with proton and antiproton collisions to understand the workings of the universe.
"There could be some new force beyond the force that we know," said Giovanni Punzi, a physicist with the international research team that is analyzing the data from the US Department of Energy's Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory.
"If it is confirmed, it could point to a whole new world of interactions," he told AFP.
While much remains a mystery, researchers agree that this is not the "God Particle," or the Higgs-boson, a hypothetical elementary particle which has long eluded physicists who believe it could explain why objects have mass.
"The Higgs-boson is a piece that goes into the puzzle that we already have," said Punzi. "Whereas this is something that goes a little bit beyond that -- a new interaction, a new force."
Punzi said the new observation behaves differently than the Higgs-boson, which would be decaying into heavy quarks, or particles.
The new discovery "is decaying in normal quarks," Punzi said. "It has different features," he added.
"One thing we know for sure -- it is not the Higgs-boson. That is the only thing we know for sure."
Physicists were to discuss their findings further in a meeting to be webcast at 2100 GM

  
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Message 2 of 6 (611194)
04-06-2011 3:29 PM


Its all one thing..maybe
I feel that all of the forces and particles will one day be unified into one thing. Sort of a holographic principal , all the separatness being a illusion. Kinda like what the Hindus have been saying for millenium.

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Message 3 of 6 (611195)
04-06-2011 3:35 PM
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04-06-2011 3:29 PM


Re: Its all one thing..maybe
I feel that all of the forces and particles will one day be unified into one thing. Sort of a holographic principal
Yes, this is a very common view and has good anecdotal evidence. But this is not the holographic principle - that is tangential to the idea of Grand Unification. Also, it's not just forces and particles that get wrapped into the same thing, but space itself - that bit can really hurt your head

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1.61803
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Message 4 of 6 (611344)
04-07-2011 3:04 PM
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04-06-2011 3:35 PM


Re: Its all one thing..maybe
Absolutely, especially when trying to get a mental picture of what a 11 dimentional space would look like.
""It bottles the mind." Chazz

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jar
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Message 5 of 6 (611346)
04-07-2011 3:29 PM


Based on the sheer number of inaccuracies and vague content in the article I'd say this is more about sloppy reporting than a physics breakthrough.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 6 of 6 (611348)
04-07-2011 3:56 PM
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04-07-2011 3:29 PM


Based on the sheer number of inaccuracies and vague content in the article I'd say this is more about sloppy reporting than a physics breakthrough.
If I were partial to tin foil hats I might suggest that Fermilab is feeling threatened by LHC, especially given the fact that many top scientists have abandoned Fermilab for the LHC.

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