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Rodibidably
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Message 1 of 5 (481293)
09-10-2008 10:58 AM


As a person who accepts Evolutionary Theory, I want to understand the Creationist position a bit better. I want to understand exactly what it is that creationists believe. To this end, I have a few questions that I hope some of you can answer, and give YOUR opinion, and if you don’t know, saying you don’t know is a valid answer. Some of these questions are relevant only to “young-earthers” and some only to “old-earthers”, so I am breaking the questions out into groups, so you don’t need to answer questions that are not relevant to your beliefs.
I know there are a number of these types of things on various websites meant to be “stumpers“, but that is NOT the intent of this post. These are questions I honestly want to hear answers for from the “other side”, so I can better understand that position.
Also, I am giving a typically understood definition of creationists, and their two main sub-types, if you disagree with these definitions, please let me know why.
All Creationists (you believe that “god” create “types” of animals, and that species do not evolve into other species through means of natural selection. You may accept micro-evolution [breeds of dogs can evolve from a single dog type] but you reject macro evolution [dogs, cats, apes, humans, birds, reptiles, etc all evolved from a common ancestor]):
  1. How old is the earth (roughly)?
  2. And how old is the universe?
  3. How much have you yourself read or studied the Theory of Evolution?
  4. Of that reading/studying (if any), how much was reading or studying the works of evolutionary biologists or others who accept evolution as valid (such as Charles Darwin, Steven J Gould, Richard Dawkins, PZ Myers, Eugenie Scott, etc) as opposed to reading anti-evolution sources (such as the Discovery Institute)?
  5. What is the BEST evidence in your opinion that supports the idea of creation? I’m not asking here for “holes” that you feel exist in evolution, but for specific evidence that positively supports creationism.
  6. What would it take to convince you that evolution is the means by which all species were “created”, over the course of billions of years (this could be as simple as “god” telling you personally, or some amount of evidence you’d require)?
Old Earth Creationists (you believe that Genesis is not a historical account and accept the age of the universe as being 13-15 billion years old):
  1. What is about evolution that you believe is inconsistent with “god” using it as a means to create new species over millions over years?
  2. If you accept the age of the earth in billions of years, then do you think that there was one “creation” of animals, and that mankind walked with dinosaurs hundreds of millions of years ago, or were there multiple “creations” and every so often “god” creates a new “type” of animal, with humans being created long after many other species had gone exinct (such as the dinosaurs)?
  3. If there was ONE creation millions (or billions) of years ago, why does our recorded history only go back a few thousand years (i.e. if we’ve been this “smart for so long, why did we only start writing things down so recently)?
    If there were multiple creations over time, how does a “creation” happen, does a new “type” just appear where before there was none (let’s use dogs as an example, at some point there were no dogs, but there were many other animals, and then there were dogs, what happened in that moment where dogs were created (were just two created, or many, were all different breeds created at once, or did dobermans and chiwawas, etc come from a single ancestor, etc)?
  4. Do you find the claims of “young-earthers” to be valid and reasonable claims based on your understanding of holy books and science?
Young Earth Creationists (you believe that Genesis is a literal account of history, and the earth is roughly 6-10 thousand years old):
  1. Why does the evidence of geology, astronomy, physics, chemistry, etc all make it seems as if the earth and the universe are much older than your beliefs say they should be? Is it a “test” or “joke” of some sort from “god”?
  2. Why, if the earth is as young as you claim, would so many branches of science (geology, physics, astronomy, biology, cosmology, anthropology, chemistry, etc), and scientists claim otherwise? Are they intentionally lying, or deluded, or does “god” want to hide the truth from some people, or is there some other reason?
  3. Other religions than yours (whatever yours may be) have different accounts of creation than your religion does, and these accounts are not based on science, or evolution, etc. Why do you think there are so many accounts of how things came to be that differ from your own view?
  4. What type of evidence would you require to accept the age of the earth and the universe as being billions of years old, as opposed to thousands of years old (as before, this could be as simple as “god” telling you personally, or some specific evidence you’d require)?
Also if there is anything else you have to say on the subject of evolution and/or creationism, feel free to add it, as I’m sure that my questions may not cover all of your specific thoughts on the subject.
[Originally posted at: A few questions for creationists | Rodibidably ]
Edited by Rodibidably, : [Edited for mod approval]
Edited by Rodibidably, : No reason given.
Edited by Admin, : Make numbered lists easier to read.

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Message 2 of 5 (481298)
09-10-2008 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rodibidably
09-10-2008 10:58 AM


Bring them here
The guidelines require that you bring your issues here and not simply refer to other sites.
We'd also have to restrict arguing about individual issues so the thread doesn't get totally out of control as far as topic. Perhaps just let them answer and leave it at that.

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Rodibidably
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Message 3 of 5 (481302)
09-10-2008 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
09-10-2008 11:26 AM


Re: Bring them here
Edited for your approval (not a link, now it's the questions from the original source)...
As for your idea of restricting to only answers, that's your call.
My idea is not to start arguments, but to get answers from creationists. I have some ideas on what their answers MAY be, but those may very well be "straw-man" arguments, which is why I'd like to hear "from the horse's mouth" as it were...

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Rodibidably
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Message 4 of 5 (481304)
09-10-2008 11:52 AM
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09-10-2008 11:26 AM


Re: Bring them here
I'd also like to point out, that the individual questions are not meant to be divisive. I took great pains to make them as uncontroversial as possible, while still be able to learn about the beliefs of others.
As for how people reply to comments that people may make, I can' really control that, but the questions themselves should not offend anybody on either "side" of the debate.

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Message 5 of 5 (481382)
09-10-2008 5:28 PM


Thread copied to the A Few Questions For Creationists thread in the Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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