Exodus Video Thread

http://EvC Forum: "The Exodus Revealed" Video IIThe thread will be closed at 2pm cdt on 8-8-04. Any discussion relating to the closure can be taken up here.

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I totally agree - there appears to be no intent at all to present any evidence.Posts 180 to 200 are evidence of this.

I added one comment that I hope will be considered.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I will leave the thread open long enough for Buz, Lys, and Hyd to comment.

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Hi AdminAsgara,I know the 'Exodus' has pretty suffocated the boards recently.However, what would be the chances of myself or someone else, opening a new topic about the dating of the Exodus?In the new topic, I would only be interested in arguing for a rational date for when the 'Exodus' may have happened, it would have nothing to do with what has been talked about in the wyatt/moller/video threads.The topic would purely be about the date of the Exodus, which date would be reasonable for the event, and what sources can we use for dating it.I know you have been busy with the video topic nonsense, and maybe want a break from the Exodus for a while. But, I dont think it is fair that people like myself and Jar (and others), may be penalised because yet another 'Christian' is incapable of acting like an adult.I know Jar is interested in discussing a very late date for the Exodus, I am interested in a 13th century date, the bible guys will need to argue for a 15th century date, and scholars have argued for a 16th, 11th and other dates as well, some have even argued for two exoduses.So, Mighty Queen, any chance of a new topic, or will it be best to wait for a week or so, or more?Brian.

Brian - For what reason do you think the behaviour of those involved would be different?Are you just not in for another round of "but we showed you the evidence/watch the video/read the book"?On the other hand, that sounds an interesting debate - I'd suggest that you try and make the focus as narrow as possible.

Hi Charles, Mostly because the discussion would require good quality academic sources and references, the immature people on the video thread don't have this quality of evidence, so there's no point in them presenting it, it would be outside the parameters of the discussion.I would require participants to provide references that could be checked out, partial quotes from these references, and perhaps a summary of certain scholarls' views.For example, Lysimachus (if he participated that is)wouldn't be able to say things such as 'The Amarna Letters are mentioned in the video as the strongest argument for the Israelite invasion of Canaan'. He would have to say 'because EA146, EA 132 tell of a group of foreigners invading the land from outside of Canaan...... (EA146 and 132 are random numbers). This is another reason for not buying the video as the El Amarna Letters do not even talk about an invasion at all, they describe an internecine situation. Am I heck !!!I am bored to tears with the Wyatt stuff, The Flightpaths of the Gods has far stronger arguments, thats how dreadful the hypothesis is. There's not a chance in a million that any University lecturer, archaeologist, or theologian would take this seriously, I can imagine if someone referenced that book in any essay that they write at my uni LOL, Oh boy. Yes, it has been an interesting debate for over one hundred years now but the interest in it as an actual historical event is dwindling, the debate has swung towards the theological rather than the historical.I think I can make a very strong case for the Exodus being around 1250 BCE, it does mean a certain amount of reinterpretation of the Bible, but these interpretations can be justified IMO.But, I would only be interested in the dating for the Exodus, we could even state that we are arguing that the Exodus happened, but all we are looking for is a reasonable date for when, a date that HAS to be supported with academic references.I dont think the wyatt brigade would hang around very long, if at all.Brian.

I'm not afraid to say that is outside my area of expertise but I would look forward to reading such a debate.regardsCharles

Darlin' keep calling me that and you can have anything you want.I have always looked forward to your indepth postings on Mideastern history and archaeology. Please do start a new thread.I will leave the original open as Buz has expressed a desire to continue to post there. I would think that Jim would not be posting as he has stated that he would not be providing any answers to questions posed to him.

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When has not providing answers ever inhibited his posts. LOL

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Can I suggest that somehow we set up a tutorial type thred? I would love to participate in one where you could lead us in a real discussion, not debate (although hopefully issues that come up will certainly be debated) and would agree to read any material that you suggest.Always looking to learn more.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Cheers Queen.Jar, I am happy to get any decent discussion going on the Exodus regardless of the format.Maybe I could put my arguments forward for a 1250 BCE Exodus and we could look at each feature until we come to some sort fo conclusion and then move on to the next feature?I am happy with any format, maybe a few others could make suggestions and we could have a general agreement on the format?Brian.

Brian, I would be ecstatic to learn more from you on this subject. But be patient with and prepared for some really stupid questions from me.

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Cheers Jar.What I'll do then, if it is okay, is construct my argument for the 1250 date then we can examine each part of the hypothesis individually and see what conclusions we arrive at.It is about 6 pm now, so I will type up an outline now and start the topic early tomorrow morning. This will also give anyone else interested in this to make any suggestions.See you later.Brian.