Evolutionist hav'nt a clue

The Neanderthal is no longer to be consider an ancester to man,But a man who sufferd from malnutrition & rickets. & The cro magnon is proven to be human,& Evidence of religious practices. PILTDOWN MAN JAVA MAN One Of the biggest hoaxes ever,That evolutionist dont bother mentionig anymore,& Yet its still in text books. Another deliberate hoax that evolutionist wont talk about.But Ya gotta get it out htese text books.Nebraska Man once thought to be a missing link,But had a tooth of a pig, Oh It gets better. zinjanthropos was Found out to be an ape.No Evidence of being related to modern man, cause it's an APE. Australopithicines Extinct APE & no proof in relation to man. archeaopterx Not a reptile which is cold blooded but a bird which is warm blooded & had teeth which is no proof at all. All I can say is evolutionist hav'nt a clue.

Another hovind-kiddy. *sigh* If you'd care to register and regurgitate this crap in a normal thread, I'm sure someone would be happy to eviscerate your little diatribe. Otherwise - have a nice life.

QSchool holidays have started here. Have they started in the US? Should we expect an upsurge in trolling and cartoon arguments such as this?

He probably won't be back, but for the record, and who can resist a PRATT list like this one? My Cretigo card is full!

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The Neanderthal is no longer to be consider an ancester to man,

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Correct. Close cousin.

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But a man who sufferd from malnutrition & rickets.

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STOP THE PRESS - palaeontologists don't know what rickets looks like in fossil bones. Anyway, I thought the creationist non-argument on this was arthritis?

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& The cro magnon is proven to be human

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Gosh! Homo sapiens is human! Have you told Nature?

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PILTDOWN MAN JAVA MAN One Of the biggest hoaxes ever,That evolutionist dont bother mentionig anymore,& Yet its still in text books.

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Please let us know the publisher, date and title of the textbook. It isn't in any I've seen.

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Another deliberate hoax that evolutionist wont talk about.

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Bollocks. We have to talk about it all the time to counter the above sort of misinformation.

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Nebraska Man once thought to be a missing link,But had a tooth of a pig, Oh It gets better.

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Honest mistake. It was mainstream science that sorted it out though, not creationist carping.

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zinjanthropos was Found out to be an ape.No Evidence of being related to modern man, cause it's an APE.

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I'm told that this animal is now considered part of the Australopithecus genus, so I refer the Hon. gentlemen to my next point.

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Australopithicines Extinct APE & no proof in relation to man.

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[bangs head on table] Can someone post those pictures of Australopithecine, ape and human pelvises again?

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archeaopterx Not a reptile which is cold blooded but a bird which is warm blooded & had teeth which is no proof at all.

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Find out what the following features are and whether they are features of birds or reptiles:Long bony tail
Lack of a breastbone
Gastralia (ventral ribs)
Reptilian forelimb
Equal length of tibia and fibula

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All I can say is evolutionist hav'nt a clue.

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I think you've ably demonstrated who hasn't got a clue. Whilst you're looking up the science, do take a moment to learn how to use apostrophes, there's a brick?[This message has been edited by Karl, 12-10-2002]

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School holidays have started here. Have they started in the US? Should we expect an upsurge in trolling and cartoon arguments such as this?

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No idea - I'm not in the US . My kids start vacation 21 Dec (through 13 Jan). But I'd be willing to bet that we DO get an upsurge in the kiddies trolling.

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Originally posted by creationist kid:
The Neanderthal is no longer to be consider an ancester to man,But a man who sufferd from malnutrition & rickets. & The cro magnon is proven to be human,& Evidence of religious practices. PILTDOWN MAN JAVA MAN One Of the biggest hoaxes ever,That evolutionist dont bother mentionig anymore,& Yet its still in text books. Another deliberate hoax that evolutionist wont talk about.But Ya gotta get it out htese text books.Nebraska Man once thought to be a missing link,But had a tooth of a pig, Oh It gets better. zinjanthropos was Found out to be an ape.No Evidence of being related to modern man, cause it's an APE. Australopithicines Extinct APE & no proof in relation to man. archeaopterx Not a reptile which is cold blooded but a bird which is warm blooded & had teeth which is no proof at all. All I can say is evolutionist hav'nt a clue.

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Glad to see that you can spell 'creationist kid' now as opposed to Craetionist kid.Open a Bible and you will find the first book is called Genesis and not Genisis.Also, it is 'haven't'.Put this together and you get, 'Creationist kid hasn't found out yet that the first book of the Bible is called Genesis.'Instead of visiting Dr. Dino, try going to dictionary.com------------------
Remembering events that never happened is a dangerous thing!

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If you mean for Christmas and New Year, yes. But since it's winter up here most of them will be American, hiding from the cold.

KarlJust for your information, many anthropologists (and I really do mean many or most) think that all of the Homo species were completely human, they represent the type of variaiton one gets in a populaiton.So all of Homo neanderthalenis, erectus, habilis, heidelbergensis, ergaster etc may have been completely human. During the last 25 or so years the definitoion of human has changed. In fact the Indonesians and Australians didn't even come into the definiton of human becasue of the caucasian skulls used for definitons. Once you open it out to include these extant races of man you don't have to go much further to include all extinct Homo.I came across this in my own copy of Cassell's: [This message has been edited by Tranquility Base, 12-11-2002]

Creationist Kid was pointing out that H. neanderthalis was not considered ancestral to modern humans. This I agreed, but pointed out it's not an issue.However, the small brain:body size ratio of early Homo are surely outside the normal variation range of modern humans.Another thread, perhaps?

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Just for your information, many anthropologists (and I really do mean many or most) think that all of the Homo species were completely human, they represent the type of variaiton one gets in a populaiton.

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So all of Homo neanderthalenis, erectus, habilis, heidelbergensis, ergaster etc may have been completely human. During the last 25 or so years the definitoion of human has changed. In fact the Indonesians and Australians didn't even come into the definiton of human becasue of the caucasian skulls used for definitons. Once you open it out to include these extant races of man you don't have to go much further to include all extinct Homo.

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Could you post some references for this beyond the encyclopedia entry? Some of the papers I've read seem to refute the idea. For instance, this one from 2002 The evolution and development of cranial form in Homo sapiens which details a test of the hypothesis that modern Homo sapiens are phylogenetically distinct species from both "archaic" HS and the other extinct species of Homo. Seems to be a discrepancy here somewhere.

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Could you post some references for this beyond the encyclopedia entry? Some of the papers I've read seem to refute the idea.

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So, I take it that this ISN'T the mainstream anthro opinion?{edited to clarify: I mean that what TB posted isn't mainstream...}[This message has been edited by Quetzal, 12-11-2002]

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Right. And never has been, not by a long shot, though it seems to have always had defenders.Based on TB's claim that many anthropologists believe .... blah.. blah... I have to say that I have the sneaky suspicion that he is mis-reading the debates between the out-of-Africa people and the multi-regional people. The latter claim that modern humans evolved in mass across our entire range, rather than evolving in Africa and then spreading.------------------
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QuetzalWhat exactly is 'mainstream'? The encyclopedia uses 'many'. Whatever the case it is a possible interpretaiton of the data that 'many' non-creationist anthropologists side with and obviously grates againstthe remainder of mainstream thought. Of course the other side can be also found in the literature.For the minute, the best I can do is quote Christine Soares (I somehow lost the ref but it is a monograph or peer-reviewed review article I think): and my father came across this in his anthropological readigs: Anthropolgy has a very shady idealogy-based history I'm afraid.