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Author Topic:   We Give The Universe Meaning, Like Nothing Else
mike the wiz
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Message 1 of 2 (357535)
10-19-2006 5:33 PM


The difference between the whole of the population's death with time existing in the universe, and there being no time/universe, is the same. You might say, "ah - to us that is", but, infact there are no others. And if there are other conscious beings, then I talk of them also.
That is, there is no difference between the universe existing and not existing, if there is no recording/conscious awareness of time/universe.
Space time existed before us, but the recording of the passage of time didn't.
Because of this, the universe has less meaning without sentient awareness. Consider the following;
The finding underlined below also gives credence to the relationship and importance of the connection between the universe and any conscious entity. It is a grandiose yet true statement, that means that there might aswell not be a happening universe without conscious entities within it, acknowledging it. it's because the course of the universe is meaningful to us, but to nothing else. Essentially, this puts us in the centre of it.
The universe of itself, has no meaning unless there is a conscious entity to give it meaning, such as a human.
The universe doesn't care if we don't exist, but without such entities, nobody cares that the universe exists.
" There is no difference between the universe existing and not existing, if there is no recording/conscious awareness of time/universe. "
It might seem irrelevant that this is so. But it isn't because in times past, atheists have tried to show that there is no credence in Theists saying that humans are special. Or they have tried to show that we are not special. Yet this proves that logically, we are special. We literally give the universe meaning. We are the ones who contemplate it.
In this sense, we very much are the centre of the universe, in a manner of speaking. Yes, we are so tiny, but not meaningless. Size has no baring on the matter.
This isn't an argument for Theism as such, but I disagree with the notion that we are not special. This argument hints at, and favours Theism, but doesn't prove Theism. It's routed in fact so it's irrefutable.

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Message 2 of 2 (357692)
10-20-2006 10:24 AM


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