Homosexuality: Gay Radar

I am trying to conduct a research on my own to see whether homosexuality is a picked life style or simply the person cannot choose to be with the opposite sex. I have research the topic for sometime now and I have learned many signals, boby languages, and facial expressions that could distinguish a straight person from a gay person. I believe this to be a "gay radar". When I walk down the street I could automaticly tell the sexual orientation of the person ahead of me whether they are gay or straight. I have conducted researchs on my friends who I believed are gay and it all came out true. And this new sixth sense of mine is getting more and more developed as time pasts, because now I can separate the gay, queer gay, acting straight gay from the queer straight, straight, bi-sexual, and the confused.
Anyway, I just needed ideas from other people on what they think about this sixth sense. From what I can tell, a female friend of mine is developing the same sense because of our research together.

dude... You might be giving mixed signals senor booey. Your name is Pokemon Flower Princess

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I am trying to conduct a research on my own to see whether homosexuality is a picked life style or simply the person cannot choose to be with the opposite sex.

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Why does this matter? I mean, it would be interesting to know, but does it matter?

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I have research the topic for sometime now and I have learned many signals, boby languages, and facial expressions that could distinguish a straight person from a gay person.

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What you would need to determine is if these are learned or innate.I tend to think that social interactions are mostly learned.

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I believe this to be a "gay radar". When I walk down the street I could automaticly tell the sexual orientation of the person ahead of me whether they are gay or straight.

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How did you know? Did you ask each of them?

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I have conducted researchs on my friends who I believed are gay and it all came out true. And this new sixth sense of mine is getting more and more developed as time pasts, because now I can separate the gay, queer gay, acting straight gay from the queer straight, straight, bi-sexual, and the confused.

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Have you actually asked every single person you identify inthis manner if they are gay or bi, etc.?

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Anyway, I just needed ideas from other people on what they think about this sixth sense. From what I can tell, a female friend of mine is developing the same sense because of our research together.

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I think you may be making yourself more aware of body language.Or, you are seeing gay people everywhere because you want to.

Hi, PrincessThe jury is still out as to what factor(s) are responsible for determing sexual orientation. It could be genetic or it could be changes in hormone levels in the mother's body. But almost nobody who has done research in this field believes that sexual orientation is a personal choice or that it is learned. Interestingly, homosexual behaviour has been extensively documented within the animal kingdom.

Orion,Incorrect. It has been observed that identical twins that are separated at birth, where one is homosexual, there is then a higher than average chance that the other will be too. Furthermore, there is a higher than average chance that a maternal uncle is homosexual too. This is a smoking gun pointing to the mothers X chromosome, & that therefore there is a genetic component to homosexuality.Subsequent study points to 5 (if I remember correctly) loci on the X chromosome being responsible. The real question is; why aren't all males that are in possession of these loci homosexual?Hypothesis to be tested: That there is something in the environment that triggers the phenotype, whether it be diet, mothers behaviour, etc.Mark------------------
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IncorrectThank you for your opinion.I repeat my assertion that sexual orientation does not appear to be a learned trait, and that very few, if any, organisms choose their sexual orientation.

Orion,

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Thank you for your opinion.

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You stated that homosexuality could be the result of genetics, or the hormone level in the mother. My informed opinion is that the jury is NOT still out, & there is a confirmed genetic component. This was all I meant by "incorrect", most of what you say I agree with.Mark------------------
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My informed opinion is that the jury is NOT still out, & there is a confirmed genetic component.Forgive me if I misconstrued your message. I am unaware of any such confirmed genetic linkage to sexual orientation. Then again, that may simply be the result of my ignorance. Would you kindly cite me an on line reference to these findings?Thanking you in advance.

Orion,Sure. Link 1"The family trees of 16 homosexual males are evaluated in the material of their Genetic Counselling Clinic. The familial cluster of three cases corresponded to the X-linked recessive inheritance. The results of family, twin and adoption studies are reviewed and the recent findings of molecular genetic and brain researches are summarised. Male homosexuality comprises of different subgroups, but one major entity is caused by X-linked recessive gene(s). This genetic background represent a predisposition which is triggered or suppressed by external factors." Link 2"Multivariate structural equation modeling techniques have been applied to examine the causes of individual differences in responses to several items concerning sexual orientation. To minimize potential ascertainment and response biases, the study sample involved a large (N = 4901) community-based cohort of Australian twins aged 18-52 who answered an anonymous questionnaire on sexual behavior and attitudes. The statistical power of the analysis was increased by the availability of multiple measures of sexual orientation (behaviors, attitudes and feelings), providing stronger evidence for the existence of additive genetic influences on this phenotype than in a previous analysis (Bailey et al., 2000). Estimates of the heritability of homosexuality in this sample ranged between 50 and 60% in females but were significantly lower (heritability of approximately 30%) in males." Link 3"Sexual orientation, sexual identity, and sex-dimorphic behaviors were assessed concurrently and retrospectively, for childhood, in 95 pairs of male monozygotic (MZ) twins and 63 pairs of dizygotic (DZ) twins. There was a significantly higher rate of adult homosexuality among the MZ than among DZ twins. We employed a model-fitting approach using LISREL to test for genetic and environmental influences on variation for each trait singly and on the covariation among all six traits (three for childhood and three for adulthood). Univariate analyses confirmed the presence of familial factors for five of the six variables but were generally unable to distinguish shared environmental from genetic influences. Hierarchical tests of multivariate models supported the existence of an additive genetic factor contributing to the covariance among the variables. More restrictive multivariate models yielded a significant genetic influence on sexual orientation. Because of the different rates of orientation by zygosity and because of the restrictive nature of some of the multivariate models, our results are best considered tentative but do suggest that further biometrically oriented studies of sexual orientation and its correlates would be worthwhile."To be fair, not everyone is in agreement when talking broad brush homosexuality. I think the best that can be said at this stage is that some types of homosexuality can be shown to have a genetic component.Mark------------------
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Thanks for the citations.To be fair, not everyone is in agreement when talking broad brush homosexuality. I think the best that can be said at this stage is that some types of homosexuality can be shown to have a genetic component.I don't believe you and I are in actual disagreement. For instance, I don't doubt that there is, in many cases, some form of genetic influence with respect to the development of sexual orientation. The point that I was attempting to get across to Princess, in response to her query, is that sexual orientation is rarely the result of a conscious decision on the part of the individual. This last point carries implications on a forum such as this one.

Orion,I agree, but go to Pubmed & do a search for homosexuality. Not all studies show a genetic connection. That's not to say it is a matter of choice, however, but that there may be some homosexuals that are not genetically predisposed to homosexuality, yet are still homosexual.Mark------------------
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ah no. People choose to be gay.Genetics lol please

6000 years,If you have scientific evidence that there isn't a genetic component to homosexuality, then please back up your claim with it. If not, what is your objection to the 3 scientific cites I made?Mark------------------
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Pun intended, John? Hrm, one more creationist who won't let that confusing evidence get in the way of his convictions!If they choose to be gay, I assume you have a reason why? Since being gay means near-total social ostracism if you live in the south or the midwest. Not to mention that your sexual acts become criminal in 13 states (four of which grant exception to hetersexual couples performing the same acts). Not to mention a culture that exposes its members to a number of STD's.I think the burden is on you to explain why a reasonable individual would opt for such a lifestyle if they didn't feel they had to. The best my mom could come up with was easy availability of sex. As a college student the argument that you had to be gay to get laid easy didn't really resonate with me. ------------------
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