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Author Topic:   Portrayal of Smarts in the Movies
Rrhain
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Message 1 of 4 (171356)
12-24-2004 7:10 PM


Went to see Flight of the Phoenix last night. For those of you who can't even handle discusson of movie plots, stop now.
At any rate, the plane crashes in the middle of the Gobi and Giovanni Ribisi's character tells them that they can rebuild the plane. He designs planes for a living.
At the start, there is a tension between Ribisi and Dennis Quaid's character (the pilot of the plane). Now, Ribisi is respectful of Quaid's piloting skills. He directly points out that few pilots could have managed to keep the plane from disintegrating and letting them survive the crash they way he did. But, Quaid doesn't seem to respect Ribisi.
Now (big plot spoilers here), at some point smugglers appear over the next dune. Ribisi tells Quaid not to go over there. They're smugglers, they probably won't offer help, we have nothing to offer them, it's only going to be trouble. But, Quaid and a couple other characters go over and, sure enough, one of them gets killed in a scuffle. Ribisi and Quaid get into an argument which, when Ribisi calls Quaid on his "colossal arrogance", ends in Quaid punching Ribisi in the face. Ribisi then quits the plane project, and he's the only one who knows how to build it to make it fly. "All of you are expendable except me." He then forces the crew to submit to his authority ("Say 'please'" and "Who's in charge?" "You are."), including Quaid.
So, they get the new plane made out of the remnants of the old when Quaid finds out that Ribisi designs model airplanes and everyone goes nuts. Ribisi tries to point out that the principles of aerodynamic flight are scalable and, as a designer of model planes, his designs need to be even better than the real thing because model airplanes don't have pilots. One of the other characters grabs a gun and is going to shoot Ribisi when finally Quaid makes him stop (partly because a windstorm is picking up and the plane is fighting to burst its tiedowns and fly away.)
Now at the end, Quaid and Ribisi shake hands, but it brought up something that I often find when I come here: The inherent disrespect of those who are considered "brains" by those who aren't. The way I saw the film, you were supposed to sympathize with Quaid and his feeling of betrayal by Ribisi regarding how is claim of "I design planes" was only for model airplanes, despite the real justifications for why Ribisi is actually the perfect person for this job.
Now, I'm not trying to invoke the argument from authority, but I am noticing how people who have no grounding in a subject often feel they have some valid point to make in that subject. This attitude seems to be common enough that movies will invoke it in order to create a dramatic point. All through the scene, I was hoping Ribisi would punch Quaid to get him to shut up and listen, to consider that while Ribisi may not be right, Quaid has no justification for telling him he's wrong.
Where did we acquire this notion that everybody has something of value to add to every discussion? Is it part of the ideal of freedom of speech? I get the feeling that people who understand that they have the right to their opinion don't seem to realize that that does not mean their opinion is of any worth.
Did anybody else notice this?

Rrhain
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NosyNed
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Message 2 of 4 (171357)
12-24-2004 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rrhain
12-24-2004 7:10 PM


Right to an opinion
Where did we acquire this notion that everybody has something of value to add to every discussion? Is it part of the ideal of freedom of speech? I get the feeling that people who understand that they have the right to their opinion don't seem to realize that that does not mean their opinion is of any worth.
I agree whole heartedly!
More than one of the speakers I have heard here has, when asked a question, pointed out that they are not qualified to comment in the area of the question because it is outside their area of expertise.
One, Freeman Dyson, I think it was, made the direct comment "I have no right to an opinion."
It seems to me that those who do have an area of expertise understand their limits. Those who think that the only necessary qualification is the ability to speak seem to think they have a right to expect people to listen to their opinions on anything however abysmal their level of knowledge or quality of reasoning is.

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Message 3 of 4 (171528)
12-26-2004 5:23 AM


"The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion."
-- John Lawton (veteran reporter), 1995

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

  
Verzem
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Message 4 of 4 (171568)
12-26-2004 1:46 PM


That is precisely why the bulk of my postings can be found right here in the Coffee House. The topics here are pretty general and rarely get very technical.
That certainly doesn't mean that the bulk of my participation is limited to Coffee House. I visit many topic areas in the General Threads area. I mostly lurk and learn. I am grateful for all of the things I have learned from lots of you folks and from the links you are kind enough to provide.
Compared to some of you, my knowledge is pretty general. I figure that if I keep on lurking and learning, I will eventually be able to answer some of the creos' posts with the same skill as you folks continually demonstrate. When I see someone post something I think is in error in some way, I usually wait for a coule of hours and, sure enough, one of you will answer it in a much better way than I would have.
I only wish I had more time to devote to learning more things sooner.
Verzem

  
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