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Author Topic:   Weak points for Creation and Evolution
TheoMorphic
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Message 1 of 4 (62083)
10-22-2003 4:40 AM


I would like people to post weak points in the theories of creation and evolution... the catch is you can only post weak points for the view you support.
Please keep this thread far far away from discussion of how "weak points" may not be so weak. I also don't want to see individuals pointing out weak points in theories they don't (for the most part) believe in.
Weak points can consist of:
observations that should be explained by your theory, but are not.
observations that contradict your theory.
predictions that are difficult (or impossible) to test.
evidence that supports your theory but does so at a stretch, or simply is not very convincing (e.g. filling my car with high octane gas is evidence that my car is fast).
please remember, do NOT criticize an opposing view point, or make helpful suggestions of weak points... there are plenty of other threads for that. Preferably debate should only happen between two individuals holding the same view... and even then you should just point out how a certain comment is even more damming to your theory than the author originally suspected.

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Rei
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Message 2 of 4 (62146)
10-22-2003 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by TheoMorphic
10-22-2003 4:40 AM


Probably the biggest difficulty for evolution is that we can't go back in time to observe things. Under most sciences, we can just go into a lab and repeat an experiment, but here, the experiment is the size of the planet Earth and the reaction time is 4.5 billion years. All we can do is simulate small parts of the process, and observe the evidence left over from the process - and only the evidence that managed to be preserved, at that. While that's all confirmed it so far and has made competing theories largely moot, it's not the sort of "replicate at will" phenomina that science likes.
Thankfully, there are bacteria. The scale of change that we can witness when generations are many, many times faster than our own is quite impressive.
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crashfrog
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Message 3 of 4 (62208)
10-22-2003 6:39 PM


I'd say a big weak point for science is that abiogenesis is a process that probably never leaves any fossil evidence. So even if we figure out how it could happen there will never be any evidence to tell us how it did happen.

  
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Message 4 of 4 (62225)
10-22-2003 9:06 PM


In evolution theory,as in all science, our strength and our weakness lies in the fact that we embrace doubt as the means for moving ideas forward.In this respect we can never be 100% certain of anything and since this is the case we will always be open to attack by those who are 100% sure that they are right.
Perhaps they have the advantage of being smug but the fact remains that they are gamblers and we are the house.Who would you bet wins in the end?

  
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