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Author Topic:   Glenn Morton's attempt at reconcilling the Genesis story and the worldly story
Minnemooseus
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Message 1 of 7 (69527)
11-27-2003 1:22 AM


Glenn Morton is a former YEC. He calls his attempt "A Theory for Creationists"
http://home.entouch.net/dmd/synop.htm
This has been around for quite a few years (copyrighted 1996), but I don't recall any citing of it recently.
Glenn's preface:
quote:
Preface: Below I present a view which is the only way I know to make Genesis be historical and at the same time accept modern science. The question often is asked could this be true? It could be, but the important question is 'Is it true?' Honesty demands the acknowledgement that the odds of this scenario being true are low, but long-shots occasionally win. That being said, I present the following as a possibility only. One can't advocate it as historical truth without further verification.
There's quite a bit of text, at the above cite/site. Read away .
Moose
[This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 11-27-2003]

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Minnemooseus
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Message 2 of 7 (391910)
03-27-2007 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
11-27-2003 1:22 AM


Bump
I recently gave mention of this topic at the Glenn Morton hypothesis: The Flood could ONLY have happened 5 million+ years ago topic (where I, unfortunately, blotched the link, since corrected).
Glenn is taking part in that other topic. I thought it would be a good thing to bump this topic, for the reading by anyone interested.
Since this topic is in the "Links and Information" forum, it is not really a place for debate. If a debate breaks out, this topic can be moved to a more appropriate place.
Moose

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Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
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Message 3 of 7 (391983)
03-28-2007 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
11-27-2003 1:22 AM


I just read through your link. All I gotta say is [sarcasm]it has some pretty high quality writing[/sarcasm].
Added by edit.
Who is this guy, anyway? When I was reading through his stuff, I couldn't help but notice all the really obvious academic wannabe big words he used. Yes, those words were used correctly, but they were used unnecessarily. May be it's just me, I just couldn't get myself to get past his bad sentences to really pay attention to his intended message.
I've always believed that the best thing you can do to get your message across is to not write badly. This guy put in commas where he wasn't suppose to and forgot to put commas where he was suppose to.
Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.

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Message 4 of 7 (392052)
03-28-2007 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
11-27-2003 1:22 AM


Re-Glenn Morton's
This has been around for quite a few years (copyrighted 1996), but I don't recall any citing of it recently.
It has no basis so why would anyone cite it?
I believe in the Genesis account of creation and I am not YEC.
I could believe we came from nothing over his attempt to make a 24 hour day into a long extended period of time.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 5 of 7 (392054)
03-28-2007 10:38 PM
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03-28-2007 11:58 AM


Reply pending - check back later
It's going to take me a while, but hopefully later tonight I'll post my defense of Morton's paper. In the meantime I suggest that Glenn refrain from replying in this topic.
Stand by for a later message.
Moose
Added by edit: Actually, Glenn is discussing this matter at the "Glenn Morton hypothesis: The Flood could ONLY have happened 5 million+ years ago" topic, where he has just posted his message 70. Please see there.
Still stand by, for my comments in this topic.
Edited by Minnemooseus, : See above.

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 6 of 7 (392074)
03-29-2007 5:54 AM
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03-28-2007 11:58 AM


Maybe a flawed effort, but at least it's an effort
I'm just not up to writing much.
I found the article to be a tough read. I was mostly attracted to the geology part. In regards to my recent re-skimming of it, I started by using Firefox to reduce the text size a couple of steps.
I think the cited Morton article is a humble effort on his part, to reconcile the Genesis story with worldly observations. It may well be flawed, but it still seems the be the best such effort I've encountered.
I look upon it as being a rather rough draft.
When I was reading through his stuff, I couldn't help but notice all the really obvious academic wannabe big words he used. Yes, those words were used correctly, but they were used unnecessarily.
My impression is that Glenn's academic background is pretty solid. Would you care to cite specifics in regards to his superfluous "big word" usage?
Well, there you have it - Another message of my usual low quality.
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 7 of 7 (392093)
03-29-2007 9:37 AM
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03-29-2007 5:54 AM


Re: Maybe a flawed effort, but at least it's an effort
I read the first few pages up through his commentary on Genesis 1:24. He seems to be parsing Biblical passages as finely as do the creationists, not an approach I favor, but one that may actually be effective with fundamentalists since it is an approach they're very familiar with.
We know that the reason creationism is scientifically misconceived isn't because fundamentalists have misinterpreted the Bible. Besides, there are so many Biblical interpretations, who can say with anything like final authority which is right and which is wrong. We know that the real reason creationism is scientifically misconceived is because creationists give revelation (their own interpretation) priority over evidence from the natural world.
But if Morton and those who take his approach successfully persuade fundamentalists to consider other Biblical interpretations then this could be a big and very positive step. Someone who's open to other possible interpretations will be less threatened by modern scientific views and thereby pose a lesser threat to science education (primarily biology) and to other areas of scientific endeavor, such as stem cell research, global warming and so forth, and even possibly to social areas such as abortion laws, contraception education, etc.
--Percy

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