Computer Programming a form of ID?

I have done medical programming for about 15 years (from Xbase/Dbase to VFP-9 .. XML parsing, VB Script, FoxPro-COM, etc.)Would any like to comment or speculate concerning human computer programming as being a form of ID vs. evolution?I'm interested because it may provide a simpler model for our understanding.Thanks to all,Philip

Can you elaborate? What part of software design and development seems like a microcosm of "ID vs. evolution" to you?

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I guess I'm trying to see what ID'ists or Evo's have to say about a computer programmer (per se) as a model (or microcosm) that provides supportive evidence of ID and/or evolution.For example, a creo may see computer design as model-evidence for theistic design in nature.Likewise, an atheistic evo might perceive the word 'design' as a misnomer for NS-evoked-creativity, or such.But we have had VFP programmers in the 90's design programs (in Foxbase, for example) which themselves designed other programs for developers themselves (in the same language)...that developers in turn compiled into foundational dlls, apps, and exes ...and later modified.... this extreme level of abstract design seems (methinks) to command an explanation by atheist-evos.

Sorry, don't get it, and I'm a programmer.Any other moderators have a handle on this?--Percy

As another old programmer, one who spent a lot of time with YACC, I don't see the connection.Perhaps if you could explain how YACC might fit into your scenario it might help us help you create (it's really tough remembering that ending e on creat) an initial post that could lead to an interesting discussion.

My great question is:How did computer programmers and their abstract programs really evolve? And/or did God create such ID in man?(If this question seems too incoherent, illogical, whimsical, non-grammatical, and/or misspelled, I apologize in advance)RAZD currently addresses a similar topic: Who designed the ID designer(s)? (RAZD)How could men or women write program segments and then painstakingly orchestrate them into bulletproof applications, even encrypted ICs?For example, you see a computer program (like the EvC forum XML program) that you like. Peradventure you may gape at it. Then you’d ask the question: How did this forum get ‘designed’? Who did it? It then comes home to you that some entity designed such a smart bullet-proof application (despite the competitive pressures of NS).

I was hoping Jar would answer, maybe he was hoping I would answer. Anyway, sorry, still don't get it. Are you trying to draw an analogy between the program design/implementation process and evolution?

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

I think the poster has something like the following in mind: If that's right, then I think it's interesting (for me, at least as far as investigating the "what is design" aspects of the question).However, I have no idea if this REALLY is the question being asked, and I also have no idea to what degree this question has been addressed here already. Simply trying to help a small bit.This message has been edited by AdminBen, Tuesday, 2005/05/17 11:04 AM

Thanks Director Ben for your feedback.I'm not precisely sure what I REALLY am asking at this point and was hoping you and/or Percy might be interested.At present I'm discoursing with RASP on a similar topic: "ID a Form of Faith". There is some "programming" discussion going on there that interests me.Philip

You're welcome. It's kind of interesting, but part of the problem (it seems) is that you're NOT precisely sure what you're really asking. I'd suggest that we leave this PNT open, hold it "in the tank" so to speak, and see if your discussion in the other thread helps to clarify what exactly you're interested in here. That way, we can put together a clear, strong opening post. From that, we can get a good, directed discussion going.

Very well.I'll discourse with other ID threads and return here if/when it seems appropriate.Thank you.