How badly as the US lost the plot?

Best Hosting ProvidersThe highest ever TV fine is levelled at CBS. Why? Because you saw part of Janet's tit? Does this strike anyone else as badly, badly out of whack?

Yes, but consider: they tried to impeach clinton for a blowjob, but theres no prospect of bush being impeached for lying to the whole state and the world and starting an illegal war.So far so consistent. Insane, but consistently insane.

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they tried to impeach clinton for a blowjob

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Actually, they tried to impeach Clinton for lying to a grand jury. It may have been over a trivial matter, the question perhaps should not have been brought up, but the actual fact is that Clinton broke a law that would have sent you or I to jail. The fact that the American media made it sound like it was all about consensual sex was part of a propaganda effort by the establishment to keep certain upstarts in Congress in line.

Point taken.

exactly. but lying to congress when not under trial conditions isn't perjury, unfortunately, even if the lie is much, much more serious.it makes sense, sort of. someone should fix it so that use of emergency powers under false pretenses is a crime. i'd vote for the congressman who voted for that amendment.

remember, this country was founded by puritans chased out of england.nudity = sex. sex = evil.although, it is ridiculous, considering the vast amounts of (american made) porn i can find on the internet, at any given second, that show much more appealing although less famous nipples. hell, i have to fight to keep it out of my mailbox.

You know, though, in the Puritan colonies, a man could be pilloried for failing to have enough sex with his wife.It's a misapprehension to say that the Puritans were universally negative about sex. They were just strict about it. They knew where babies came from, and that you needed a lot of them to make a colony work.

Not to start a debate, but he didn't really lie. They never defined fellatio as "sexual relation". Besides, it wasn't their place to ask him such a personal question in the first place.

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The Laminator
B ULLS HITFor goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!

Well, they asked him a question that they knew he would lie about.Me, I would have told the truth. "Yeah, guys, she totally gave me oral sex. But hell, Ken, I know you're getting some on the side, and you too, whats-your-name. Of course Bob's equipment hasn't worked since the civil war."Oh, well. Seems every time I turn around, some Republican is dropping out of a race for weird sexual proclivities.

it was only a facetious comment? i didn't mean that's seriously why america is so uptight about nudity on tv. i could find a million reasons that might have to do with it (and legal standards, even), but i honestly don't know a real, singular reason for it.so i thought a joke would be better.

why would that be such a big deal?hell, we all know jfk was tapping marilyn on the side, and everybody still likes him.

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Besides, it wasn't their place to ask him such a personal question in the first place.

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I don't quite agree. The questioning was about the Paula Jones sexual harrassment suit which was a legitimate suit against Clinton. I think that it was relevant to ask questions about his relations with his employees in order to determine whether there was a pattern that would confirm Jones' allegations.On the other hand, Jones' suit was an entirely separate affair that should never have been mixed up with Starr's witch hunt. If I recall correctly, one of the reasons that Jones' suit was thrown out was because the whole Starr investigation was tainting everything so badly that it was impossible to get a fair trial on it based on its merits.Thanks, Kenneth Starr. You completely botched the one legitimate legal complaint against Clinton.

I know. I just thought it would be fun to relate some little-known history about the Puritans.

ah i see.

i had trouble reading the title and tying it to the thread... until i read it with a fake british accent. then i got it. i'm ok now. just thought i'd share.